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  • 1.  Militaries in Organizations

    Posted 02-17-2014 23:00

    Hi Stephanie,

     

    Not sure if Police forces can be considered paramilitary, unlike the military, they include a sworn and unsworn workforce with law enforcement as the main priority. Nevertheless, they are indeed very hierarchical and formal (rigid rules and regulations). This formality might be used to limit officers discretion in handling many situations, and to follow departmental policies. Significantly many organizations will have this hierarchy and formal structures.

     

    I believe that you have a very interesting result with mentor's performance and protégé's OCB.

     

    With best wishes

     

     

    Alberto R. Melgoza, PhD, MBR, ANAM, FASHRM

    البرتو راميرز ملقوزا

    Organization Consulting Department (OCD)

    Saudi Aramco

    Tel. +966 013 873 35 16

    Mob. +966 507 260 177

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephanie Maynard-Patrick
    Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:57 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: [OB-LIST] Militaryness in Organizations

     

    Hello Everyone!

     

    Please forgive cross postings with RMNET.

     

    We've been collecting data with fireman as the respondents, and gotten some surprising results. We are looking at the following relationship: INDEPENDENT VARIABLE: an individual's performance as a mentor; DEPENDENT VARIABLES: his or her protégé's job performance and OCB.

     

    Contrary to our theory, we get a non-significant correlation between mentor's performance and protégé's performance and a significant but negative relationship between mentor's performance and protégé's OCB.

     

    Also we noticed VERY little variance in job performance and OCB. The means and variances were 6.1 (7 point scale) mean, .34 variance and 5.34 (7 point scale) mean, .71, respectively. Perhaps lack of variance explains the non-significant correlation????

     

    Our sample consists of firefighters which we judge to work within an organization with characteristics similar to military organizations. All new employees are assigned a mentor for their first year, and many individuals enter into informal mentoring relationships after that point. Respondents indicated that 88% have been mentored, 47% are currently being mentored, and about 50% of individuals currently are serving as mentors.

     

    Has anyone seen these type of results?

     Of course it doesn't have to be mentoring, but the idea that in a military type sample, otherwise sound relationships may not hold.

    We wonder if perhaps some moderating variable (militaryness [for lack of a better term]) could be attenuating the relationships. We were wondering because it makes much sense to us that if someone was mentored well, then they would perform well, or at least better than someone who was mentored poorly. Of course, our theory could be wrong but before giving up, we wanted to see if anyone had any input for us.

     

    Further, we'll be conducting more surveys at other fire and police departments in the near future and would like to include a measure to capture this unique "militaryness," but I have had trouble finding a construct that quite embraces what we're looking for.  I was hoping someone could recommend a construct (ideally with measures) for the individual's perception of the degree of "militaryness" of the organization.

     

    Many thanks in advance!

     


    Stephanie Maynard-Patrick


    PHD Candidate
    Department of Management
    New Mexico State University
    svmp@nmsu.edu
    575-646-6847




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  • 2.  Militaries in Organizations

    Posted 02-18-2014 17:06

    Dear Stephanie,

     

    How did you measure the dependent variable, "his or her protégé's job performance and OCB"?

     

    One of the features of a strong hierarchy context, such as the military, is a tendency not to stand out and not to criticise colleagues publically.

     

    I can't give you the references off hand but you can find a lot of studies at the Naval Postgraduate School's Library, which you can search online.  This should get you started in exploring the very large literature on military organisations and culture.

     

    Hope this helps!

     

    Cheers,

    Roxanne

     

    Dr. Roxanne Zolin | Associate Professor | School of Management

    QUT Business School | Queensland University of Technology | www.qut.edu.au/business

    Phone: + 61 7 3138 5095 | Mobile:  0433 400 113 | Email: r.zolin@qut.edu.au | CRICOS No. 00213J

      


    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] on behalf of Ramirez Melgoza, Alberto [alberto.ramirezmelgoza@ARAMCO.COM]
    Sent: Tuesday, 18 February 2014 2:00 PM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Militaries in Organizations

    Hi Stephanie,

     

    Not sure if Police forces can be considered paramilitary, unlike the military, they include a sworn and unsworn workforce with law enforcement as the main priority. Nevertheless, they are indeed very hierarchical and formal (rigid rules and regulations). This formality might be used to limit officers discretion in handling many situations, and to follow departmental policies. Significantly many organizations will have this hierarchy and formal structures.

     

    I believe that you have a very interesting result with mentor's performance and protégé's OCB.

     

    With best wishes

     

     

    Alberto R. Melgoza, PhD, MBR, ANAM, FASHRM

    البرتو راميرز ملقوزا

    Organization Consulting Department (OCD)

    Saudi Aramco

    Tel. +966 013 873 35 16

    Mob. +966 507 260 177

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephanie Maynard-Patrick
    Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:57 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: [OB-LIST] Militaryness in Organizations

     

    Hello Everyone!

     

    Please forgive cross postings with RMNET.

     

    We've been collecting data with fireman as the respondents, and gotten some surprising results. We are looking at the following relationship: INDEPENDENT VARIABLE: an individual's performance as a mentor; DEPENDENT VARIABLES: his or her protégé's job performance and OCB.

     

    Contrary to our theory, we get a non-significant correlation between mentor's performance and protégé's performance and a significant but negative relationship between mentor's performance and protégé's OCB.

     

    Also we noticed VERY little variance in job performance and OCB. The means and variances were 6.1 (7 point scale) mean, .34 variance and 5.34 (7 point scale) mean, .71, respectively. Perhaps lack of variance explains the non-significant correlation????

     

    Our sample consists of firefighters which we judge to work within an organization with characteristics similar to military organizations. All new employees are assigned a mentor for their first year, and many individuals enter into informal mentoring relationships after that point. Respondents indicated that 88% have been mentored, 47% are currently being mentored, and about 50% of individuals currently are serving as mentors.

     

    Has anyone seen these type of results?

     Of course it doesn't have to be mentoring, but the idea that in a military type sample, otherwise sound relationships may not hold.

    We wonder if perhaps some moderating variable (militaryness [for lack of a better term]) could be attenuating the relationships. We were wondering because it makes much sense to us that if someone was mentored well, then they would perform well, or at least better than someone who was mentored poorly. Of course, our theory could be wrong but before giving up, we wanted to see if anyone had any input for us.

     

    Further, we'll be conducting more surveys at other fire and police departments in the near future and would like to include a measure to capture this unique "militaryness," but I have had trouble finding a construct that quite embraces what we're looking for.  I was hoping someone could recommend a construct (ideally with measures) for the individual's perception of the degree of "militaryness" of the organization.

     

    Many thanks in advance!

     


    Stephanie Maynard-Patrick


    PHD Candidate
    Department of Management
    New Mexico State University
    svmp@nmsu.edu
    575-646-6847




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  • 3.  Militaries in Organizations

    Posted 02-19-2014 04:08
    Dear Stephanie,

    this sounds like the results from the 'classic' van Maanen (1975) study. 

    He found that over the course of the socialization process the motivation of recruits declined significantly and that paradoxically those recruits with low motivation were ranked higher (by supervisors) regarding their performance:

    Van Maanen, J. (1975). 
    Police socialization: A longitudinal examination of job attitudes in an urban police department. 
    Administrative Science Quarterly, 20, 207-228

    As Roxanne pointed out, performance often is a socially constructed parameter.

    Kind regards,
    Tobias


    Prof. Dr. Tobias Braun
    Berlin School of Economics and Law
    Faculty of Business and Economics
    Badensche Straße 50-51
    D-10825 Berlin



    Am 18.02.2014 um 23:06 schrieb Roxanne Zolin <r.zolin@QUT.EDU.AU>:

    Dear Stephanie,

     

    How did you measure the dependent variable, "his or her protégé's job performance and OCB"?

     

    One of the features of a strong hierarchy context, such as the military, is a tendency not to stand out and not to criticise colleagues publically.

     

    I can't give you the references off hand but you can find a lot of studies at the Naval Postgraduate School's Library, which you can search online.  This should get you started in exploring the very large literature on military organisations and culture.

     

    Hope this helps!

     

    Cheers,
    Roxanne

     

    Dr. Roxanne Zolin | Associate Professor | School of Management

    QUT Business School | Queensland University of Technology | www.qut.edu.au/business

    Phone: + 61 7 3138 5095 | Mobile:  0433 400 113 | Email: r.zolin@qut.edu.au | CRICOS No. 00213J




    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] on behalf of Ramirez Melgoza, Alberto [alberto.ramirezmelgoza@ARAMCO.COM]
    Sent: Tuesday, 18 February 2014 2:00 PM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Militaries in Organizations

    Hi Stephanie,

     

    Not sure if Police forces can be considered paramilitary, unlike the military, they include a sworn and unsworn workforce with law enforcement as the main priority. Nevertheless, they are indeed very hierarchical and formal (rigid rules and regulations). This formality might be used to limit officers discretion in handling many situations, and to follow departmental policies. Significantly many organizations will have this hierarchy and formal structures.

     

    I believe that you have a very interesting result with mentor's performance and protégé's OCB.

     

    With best wishes

     

     

    Alberto R. Melgoza, PhD, MBR, ANAM, FASHRM
    البرتو راميرز ملقوزا
    Organization Consulting Department (OCD)
    Saudi Aramco
    Tel. +966 013 873 35 16
    Mob. +966 507 260 177

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephanie Maynard-Patrick
    Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:57 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: [OB-LIST] Militaryness in Organizations

     

    Hello Everyone!

     

    Please forgive cross postings with RMNET.

     

    We've been collecting data with fireman as the respondents, and gotten some surprising results. We are looking at the following relationship: INDEPENDENT VARIABLE: an individual's performance as a mentor; DEPENDENT VARIABLES: his or her protégé's job performance and OCB.

     

    Contrary to our theory, we get a non-significant correlation between mentor's performance and protégé's performance and a significant but negative relationship between mentor's performance and protégé's OCB.

     

    Also we noticed VERY little variance in job performance and OCB. The means and variances were 6.1 (7 point scale) mean, .34 variance and 5.34 (7 point scale) mean, .71, respectively. Perhaps lack of variance explains the non-significant correlation????

     

    Our sample consists of firefighters which we judge to work within an organization with characteristics similar to military organizations. All new employees are assigned a mentor for their first year, and many individuals enter into informal mentoring relationships after that point. Respondents indicated that 88% have been mentored, 47% are currently being mentored, and about 50% of individuals currently are serving as mentors.

     

    Has anyone seen these type of results?

     Of course it doesn't have to be mentoring, but the idea that in a military type sample, otherwise sound relationships may not hold.

    We wonder if perhaps some moderating variable (militaryness [for lack of a better term]) could be attenuating the relationships. We were wondering because it makes much sense to us that if someone was mentored well, then they would perform well, or at least better than someone who was mentored poorly. Of course, our theory could be wrong but before giving up, we wanted to see if anyone had any input for us.

     

    Further, we'll be conducting more surveys at other fire and police departments in the near future and would like to include a measure to capture this unique "militaryness," but I have had trouble finding a construct that quite embraces what we're looking for.  I was hoping someone could recommend a construct (ideally with measures) for the individual's perception of the degree of "militaryness" of the organization.

     

    Many thanks in advance!

     


    Stephanie Maynard-Patrick

    PHD Candidate
    Department of Management
    New Mexico State University
    svmp@nmsu.edu
    575-646-6847



    The contents of this email, including all related responses, files and attachments transmitted with it (collectively referred to as "this Email"), are intended solely for the use of the individual/entity to whom/which they are addressed, and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. This Email may not be disclosed or forwarded to anyone else without authorization from the originator of this Email. If you have received this Email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies from your system. Please note that the views or opinions presented in this Email are those of the author and may not necessarily represent those of Saudi Aramco. The recipient should check this Email and any attachments for the presence of any viruses. Saudi Aramco accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus/error transmitted by this Email.