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Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

  • 1.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-03-2012 11:09
    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000

    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu
    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.





  • 2.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-03-2012 23:14

    Hi Mike,

     

    While I don't have any references for the critical thinking skills discussion, there is evidence that training can increase various types of soft skills. Taylor, Russ-Eft, and Chan published a meta-analysis in JAP in 2005 on the effectiveness of behavior modeling training for these kinds of skills (negotiating, interpersonal skills, assertive communication, etc.). I use role plays in small groups in my classes to allow students to practice managerial skills discussed in the course readings and provide feedback to help them hone them, essentially using social learning and behavioral modeling.

     

    Amy E. Crook, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor of Management
    College of Business Administration
    Belmont University
    Office: Massey 322C
    Phone: 615-490-8796
    Email: amy.crook@belmont.edu

     

     

     

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    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu

    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.

     



  • 3.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-03-2012 23:24
    Hi Mike,
     
    Great points!! I cannot name any reference right off the top of my head. While I was working on a large-scale meta-analysis on the college intervention effects a while ago at ACT, I read some of those studies. But, most, if not all, studies, even when they showed some meaningful  or statistically significant changes (within-subject design) or differences (between-subjects design), were often based on suboptimal designs (e.g., mostly quasi-experiments where control groups were not comparable to intervention groups; between-subjects studies measured those skills ONLY AFTER the intervention; small sample sizes or too large samples [quasi-experiments], etc.). So, their findings were confounded with many extraneous factors. I guess we need a comprehensive MA on this. As you will agree, I guess interventions aiming at more g-loaded constructs and traits (rather than states) will show lower intervention effects, though there will be some boundary conditions. Related to this, Fred Luthans and his colleagues have shown that PsyCap (a state-like variable) can be enhanced considerably through interventions. There are some other examples (e.g., goal setting, self-efficacy). But, I have not seen any systematic study focusing on more g-loaded constructs such as critical thinking, problem solving... We often measure those constructs via assessment centers though. 
     
    Anyhow, a comprehensive MA on this issue will better guide and inform relevant practice and will be very useful to b-school and AACSB administrators in resource allocation and curriculum evaluation decisions, respectively! Evidence-based b-school education can vastly benefit from such MAs, I think.
     
    In-Sue

    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:
    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000

    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu
    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.






  • 4.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 01:42
    I think there is an important distinction that needs to be made in this discussion between mean-level and rank-order change. The personality psychologists such as Brent Roberts have done a good job with this recently. I am pretty sure than no one believes that critical thinking skills are at the same level throughout someone's education. That is, a fourth grader does not have the same reasoning skills she will have at the high school or college level even if she remains a 85th percentile critical reasoner compared with her peers. Just because the best reasoners are still the best after an MBA program doesn't mean they all haven't improved overall.

    If our MBA and other MA programs are not improving our student's critical reasoning skills, then we should give them their money back and shut them down. They can learn the laws for finance and HR much cheaper online. They might even be able to meet other achievement minded people there too if all the MBA is about is networking. Personally I believe an MBA can really change an individual's approach to critical thinking and business problem solving, but I teach I/O psych students, so I may be naive on this point.

    Also, this is on area where MA will probably not save us. We need good primary studies for MA to be useful. As In-Sue indicates, these are not readily available. We have been too lazy too do this kind of good longitudinal work. Perhaps if we really cared about demonstrating that our programs taught critical thinking, we would measure it before and after with Assessment Center-like techniques and have some good data to share with the field.

    Bradley Brummel
    Assistant Professor of Psychology
    The University of Tulsa

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] on behalf of In-Sue Oh [insue.oh@GMAIL.COM]
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    Hi Mike,
     
    Great points!! I cannot name any reference right off the top of my head. While I was working on a large-scale meta-analysis on the college intervention effects a while ago at ACT, I read some of those studies. But, most, if not all, studies, even when they showed some meaningful  or statistically significant changes (within-subject design) or differences (between-subjects design), were often based on suboptimal designs (e.g., mostly quasi-experiments where control groups were not comparable to intervention groups; between-subjects studies measured those skills ONLY AFTER the intervention; small sample sizes or too large samples [quasi-experiments], etc.). So, their findings were confounded with many extraneous factors. I guess we need a comprehensive MA on this. As you will agree, I guess interventions aiming at more g-loaded constructs and traits (rather than states) will show lower intervention effects, though there will be some boundary conditions. Related to this, Fred Luthans and his colleagues have shown that PsyCap (a state-like variable) can be enhanced considerably through interventions. There are some other examples (e.g., goal setting, self-efficacy). But, I have not seen any systematic study focusing on more g-loaded constructs such as critical thinking, problem solving... We often measure those constructs via assessment centers though. 
     
    Anyhow, a comprehensive MA on this issue will better guide and inform relevant practice and will be very useful to b-school and AACSB administrators in resource allocation and curriculum evaluation decisions, respectively! Evidence-based b-school education can vastly benefit from such MAs, I think.
     
    In-Sue

    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:
    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000

    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu
    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.






  • 5.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 02:20

    Hi Mike

     

    I've now had a little more time to apply some critical thinking to this.  And it seems that from my limited searching (see below) the evidence that critical thinking can be trained isn't that strong.  Though, given the low quality of most of the studies I guess we don't have much strong evidence that it can be trained – but nor do we have much strong evidence that it can't.  So it's an absence of evidence either way rather than any clear indication that it can't be trained.

     

    I agree with you that there are in general important ethical issues around trying to train skills when there is good quality and a reasonable quantity of relevant evidence that they are not trainable.

     

    You also raise the more general question of what it is that business school education is supposed to do and what evidence there is that it does it.

     

    Cheers

     

    Rob

     

    Abrami P. C., Bernard R. M., Borokhovski E., Wadem A., Surkes M. A., Tamim R., Zhang D. Instructional interventions affecting critical thinking skills and dispositions: a stage 1 meta-analysis. Rev. Educ. Res. 2008;78:1102–1134.

     

    Behar-Horenstein, L. S., & Niu, L. (2011). Teaching Critical Thinking Skills In Higher Education: A Review of the Literature Journal of College Teaching and Learning 8(2), 25-42.

     

    Bensley, D. A., Crowe, D. S., & Bernhardt, P. (2010). Teaching and assessing critical thinking skills for argument analysis in psychology. Teaching of Psychology, 37, 91-96.

     

    Halpern, D. F. (1998). Teaching critical thinking for transfer across domains: Dispositions, skills, structure training, and metacognitive monitoring. American Psychologist, 53, 449–455.

     

    Penningroth, S. L., Despain, L. H., & Gray, M. J. (2007). A course designed to improve psychological critical thinking. Teaching of Psychology, 34, 153–157.

     

     

    Rob B Briner | Professor of Organizational Psychology | School of Management | University of Bath

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU
    Sent: 03 October 2012 16:09
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    Subject: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

     

    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu

    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.

     



  • 6.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 05:15
    Just a comment regarding the "lack of evidence" that critical thinking can be taught.

    We don't know everything. We can't measure everything. And even what we know or can measure may not even be the most important parts of what we don't know or haven't measured.

    Should we just give up because there doesn't appear to be any evidence that such things are possible? If I thought that my efforts as a teacher could not produce the results that I desired, I would give up teaching. 

    After all: Why bother?
     
    Cheers, Bruce

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    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:
    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000

    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu
    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.







  • 7.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 06:51
    Hello All,
     
    I think Mike's question is a very important one, but I might note that there is a slight logical slippage between "topics that do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained", and "skills that are not amenable to meaningful change". Even in the absence of evidence, we would only be warranted in claiming our ignorance of effects (or awkwardness in measurement), rather than claiming positive knowledge of the ineffectiveness of teaching these topics.
     
    My real concern, however, is that difficulty in measuring training outcomes might be related to the depth or importance of the skills involved.  Teaching superficial procedures is probably easier to support than teaching fundamental changes in attitude or perspective.  Thus, if we limit our teaching to topics for which we have evidence of change, we may systematically undermine the most central values of our educational mission.  Perhaps, with these deeper goals of teaching, we might draw a conceptual line between "training", a low value-added, easily produced commodity, and "education", a high value-added professional practice.  This might help in order to formulate our strategic missions accordingly, and price/measure/out-source as needed.
     
    Just my two cents,
    Gazi Islam
     

    Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:09:27 -0400
    From: mamcdani@VCU.EDU
    Subject: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU

    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me. This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000

    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu
    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.





  • 8.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 10:23

    Mike, In-Sue,

    A relevant line of research here is training programs designed to improve working memory. Check out this work by Randall Engle at Georgia State U. They find that training can improve performance on the specific tasks used in  the training but that there is no transfer to any other tasks requiring working memory. Engle made a presentation on this research at APS in May.

     My bet is that the same will apply to critical thinking and the other skills people are attempting to train.

    Frank

     

    From: In-Sue Oh [mailto:insue.oh@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:24 PM
    To: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

     

    Hi Mike,

     

    Great points!! I cannot name any reference right off the top of my head. While I was working on a large-scale meta-analysis on the college intervention effects a while ago at ACT, I read some of those studies. But, most, if not all, studies, even when they showed some meaningful  or statistically significant changes (within-subject design) or differences (between-subjects design), were often based on suboptimal designs (e.g., mostly quasi-experiments where control groups were not comparable to intervention groups; between-subjects studies measured those skills ONLY AFTER the intervention; small sample sizes or too large samples [quasi-experiments], etc.). So, their findings were confounded with many extraneous factors. I guess we need a comprehensive MA on this. As you will agree, I guess interventions aiming at more g-loaded constructs and traits (rather than states) will show lower intervention effects, though there will be some boundary conditions. Related to this, Fred Luthans and his colleagues have shown that PsyCap (a state-like variable) can be enhanced considerably through interventions. There are some other examples (e.g., goal setting, self-efficacy). But, I have not seen any systematic study focusing on more g-loaded constructs such as critical thinking, problem solving... We often measure those constructs via assessment centers though. 

     

    Anyhow, a comprehensive MA on this issue will better guide and inform relevant practice and will be very useful to b-school and AACSB administrators in resource allocation and curriculum evaluation decisions, respectively! Evidence-based b-school education can vastly benefit from such MAs, I think.

     

    In-Sue

    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:

    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu

    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.

     

     



  • 9.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 10:27

    I agree with Bradley regarding our lack of good longitudinal work. To this end, I am currently in year one of a planned 3 year longitudinal study that will measure the emotional intelligence and professionalism of our MBA students from start to finish of our program. I am using existing measures of general emotional intelligence and am building a situational judgment test that more specifically measures emotion management in business scenarios to determine if our students increase their baseline emotional intelligence (not explicitly taught in our courses) vs. their business-specific emotional intelligence. If there are other faculty who are interested in measuring such predictors and outcomes in your school's MBA programs, let me know as I'd be open to collaborating and sharing my materials.

     

    Sincerely,

     

    Amy E. Crook, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor of Management
    College of Business Administration
    Belmont University
    Office: Massey 322C
    Phone: 615-490-8796
    Email: amy.crook@belmont.edu

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brummel, Bradley
    Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:42 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
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    I think there is an important distinction that needs to be made in this discussion between mean-level and rank-order change. The personality psychologists such as Brent Roberts have done a good job with this recently. I am pretty sure than no one believes that critical thinking skills are at the same level throughout someone's education. That is, a fourth grader does not have the same reasoning skills she will have at the high school or college level even if she remains a 85th percentile critical reasoner compared with her peers. Just because the best reasoners are still the best after an MBA program doesn't mean they all haven't improved overall.

    If our MBA and other MA programs are not improving our student's critical reasoning skills, then we should give them their money back and shut them down. They can learn the laws for finance and HR much cheaper online. They might even be able to meet other achievement minded people there too if all the MBA is about is networking. Personally I believe an MBA can really change an individual's approach to critical thinking and business problem solving, but I teach I/O psych students, so I may be naive on this point.

    Also, this is on area where MA will probably not save us. We need good primary studies for MA to be useful. As In-Sue indicates, these are not readily available. We have been too lazy too do this kind of good longitudinal work. Perhaps if we really cared about demonstrating that our programs taught critical thinking, we would measure it before and after with Assessment Center-like techniques and have some good data to share with the field.

    Bradley Brummel
    Assistant Professor of Psychology
    The University of Tulsa


    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] on behalf of In-Sue Oh [insue.oh@GMAIL.COM]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:23 PM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Hi Mike,

     

    Great points!! I cannot name any reference right off the top of my head. While I was working on a large-scale meta-analysis on the college intervention effects a while ago at ACT, I read some of those studies. But, most, if not all, studies, even when they showed some meaningful  or statistically significant changes (within-subject design) or differences (between-subjects design), were often based on suboptimal designs (e.g., mostly quasi-experiments where control groups were not comparable to intervention groups; between-subjects studies measured those skills ONLY AFTER the intervention; small sample sizes or too large samples [quasi-experiments], etc.). So, their findings were confounded with many extraneous factors. I guess we need a comprehensive MA on this. As you will agree, I guess interventions aiming at more g-loaded constructs and traits (rather than states) will show lower intervention effects, though there will be some boundary conditions. Related to this, Fred Luthans and his colleagues have shown that PsyCap (a state-like variable) can be enhanced considerably through interventions. There are some other examples (e.g., goal setting, self-efficacy). But, I have not seen any systematic study focusing on more g-loaded constructs such as critical thinking, problem solving... We often measure those constructs via assessment centers though. 

     

    Anyhow, a comprehensive MA on this issue will better guide and inform relevant practice and will be very useful to b-school and AACSB administrators in resource allocation and curriculum evaluation decisions, respectively! Evidence-based b-school education can vastly benefit from such MAs, I think.

     

    In-Sue

    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:

    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu

    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.

     

     



  • 10.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 10:28

    How about teaching logic? That requires critical thinking. Anke J

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rob Briner
    Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:20 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

     

    Hi Mike

     

    I've now had a little more time to apply some critical thinking to this.  And it seems that from my limited searching (see below) the evidence that critical thinking can be trained isn't that strong.  Though, given the low quality of most of the studies I guess we don't have much strong evidence that it can be trained – but nor do we have much strong evidence that it can't.  So it's an absence of evidence either way rather than any clear indication that it can't be trained.

     

    I agree with you that there are in general important ethical issues around trying to train skills when there is good quality and a reasonable quantity of relevant evidence that they are not trainable.

     

    You also raise the more general question of what it is that business school education is supposed to do and what evidence there is that it does it.

     

    Cheers

     

    Rob

     

    Abrami P. C., Bernard R. M., Borokhovski E., Wadem A., Surkes M. A., Tamim R., Zhang D. Instructional interventions affecting critical thinking skills and dispositions: a stage 1 meta-analysis. Rev. Educ. Res. 2008;78:1102–1134.

     

    Behar-Horenstein, L. S., & Niu, L. (2011). Teaching Critical Thinking Skills In Higher Education: A Review of the Literature Journal of College Teaching and Learning 8(2), 25-42.

     

    Bensley, D. A., Crowe, D. S., & Bernhardt, P. (2010). Teaching and assessing critical thinking skills for argument analysis in psychology. Teaching of Psychology, 37, 91-96.

     

    Halpern, D. F. (1998). Teaching critical thinking for transfer across domains: Dispositions, skills, structure training, and metacognitive monitoring. American Psychologist, 53, 449–455.

     

    Penningroth, S. L., Despain, L. H., & Gray, M. J. (2007). A course designed to improve psychological critical thinking. Teaching of Psychology, 34, 153–157.

     

     

    Rob B Briner | Professor of Organizational Psychology | School of Management | University of Bath

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU
    Sent: 03 October 2012 16:09
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

     

    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu

    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.

     



  • 11.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 10:34
    Hello everyone,
    �� In 2010, Duane Hoover, myself, Ritch Sorenson, and Bill Bommer published an empirical paper in AMLE showing that a pedagogy we labelled Whole Person Learning (essentially an extension and application of Experiential Learning Theory) resulted in increased behavioral skills acquisition as compared to a traditional, cognitively-based pedagogy.� MBA students in both pedagogical environments experienced a pre-test behavioral assessment center, then were exposed to one of the two pedagogies depending on which class/section they enrolled in, then took a post-test assessment center.� Students exposed to WPL showed more improvement.
    � I would also ask that, in the spirit of the scientific method, we rename this and related threads to more tentative language such as "may not be trainable" because the current wording is presumptive.
    Thanks!
    �� Robert Giambatista
    PS The citation is
    Hoover, J.D. & Giambatista, R.C., Sorenson, R.L. & Bommer, W.H. (2010). Effectiveness of Experiential/Behavioral Skill Pedagogy in Skill Acquisition via Assessment Centers.� Academy of Management Learning and Education, 9, 192-203.



    On 10/4/2012 1:41 AM, Brummel, Bradley wrote:
    66747F4124CFE44ABBCF4AD9F22285ED1C7A7497@GRIZZLY.ad.utulsa.edu" type="cite">
    I think there is an important distinction that needs to be made in this discussion between mean-level and rank-order change. The personality psychologists such as Brent Roberts have done a good job with this recently. I am pretty sure than no one believes that critical thinking skills are at the same level throughout someone's education. That is, a fourth grader does not have the same reasoning skills she will have at the high school or college level even if she remains a 85th percentile critical reasoner compared with her peers. Just because the best reasoners are still the best after an MBA program doesn't mean they all haven't improved overall.

    If our MBA and other MA programs are not improving our student's critical reasoning skills, then we should give them their money back and shut them down. They can learn the laws for finance and HR much cheaper online. They might even be able to meet other achievement minded people there too if all the MBA is about is networking. Personally I believe an MBA can really change an individual's approach to critical thinking and business problem solving, but I teach I/O psych students, so I may be naive on this point.

    Also, this is on area where MA will probably not save us. We need good primary studies for MA to be useful. As In-Sue indicates, these are not readily available. We have been too lazy too do this kind of good longitudinal work. Perhaps if we really cared about demonstrating that our programs taught critical thinking, we would measure it before and after with Assessment Center-like techniques and have some good data to share with the field.

    Bradley Brummel
    Assistant Professor of Psychology
    The University of Tulsa

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] on behalf of In-Sue Oh [insue.oh@GMAIL.COM]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:23 PM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Hi Mike,
    �
    Great points!! I cannot name any reference right off the top of my head. While I was working�on a large-scale meta-analysis on the college intervention effects a while ago at ACT, I read some of those studies.�But, most, if not all,�studies, even when they showed some meaningful� or statistically significant changes (within-subject design) or differences (between-subjects design),�were often based on suboptimal designs (e.g., mostly quasi-experiments where�control groups were not comparable to intervention groups; between-subjects studies�measured those skills ONLY AFTER the intervention;�small sample sizes or too large samples [quasi-experiments], etc.). So, their findings were confounded with many extraneous factors. I guess we need a comprehensive MA on this. As you will agree, I�guess interventions aiming at more g-loaded constructs and�traits (rather than states) will show lower intervention effects, though there will be�some boundary conditions.�Related to this, Fred Luthans and his colleagues have shown that PsyCap (a state-like variable) can be enhanced considerably through�interventions. There are some other examples (e.g., goal setting, self-efficacy). But, I have not seen any systematic study�focusing on�more g-loaded constructs such as critical thinking, problem solving... We�often�measure those constructs�via assessment centers though.�
    �
    Anyhow, a comprehensive MA�on this issue will better guide and inform relevant practice and will be very useful�to b-school and AACSB administrators in resource allocation and curriculum evaluation decisions, respectively! Evidence-based b-school education can vastly benefit from such MAs, I think.
    �
    In-Sue

    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:
    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills. �Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that �do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained. �For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, �soft skills�, leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training. �If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year. �In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike �

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu
    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.







  • 12.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 10:47
    Some have said that ethics and critical thinking amount to non-trainable subjects (as if any learning really has more to do with what we desire to teach and not more to do with what learners desire to learn).  However, I suggest that the real question amounts to this: "do businesses require ethics and critical thinking?" If yes, then business schools arguably must take the responsibility present and promote the use of ethics and critical thinking, by introducing and requiring demonstration of applications, in praxis, (whether measurable or trainable or not). If they don't, then who will?
     
    G.R. Bud West
    Always Exceed Expectations
    PhD, Organizational Leadership




    From: Bruce Hoag <b.hoag@P-ADVANTAGE.COM>
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:15 AM
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Just a comment regarding the "lack of evidence" that critical thinking can be taught.

    We don't know everything. We can't measure everything. And even what we know or can measure may not even be the most important parts of what we don't know or haven't measured.

    Should we just give up because there doesn't appear to be any evidence that such things are possible? If I thought that my efforts as a teacher could not produce the results that I desired, I would give up teaching. 

    After all: Why bother?
     
    Cheers, Bruce

    Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol, AFBPsS
    Business Coach

    "Helping ordinary people to create their own online business."
    ------------------------------------------------------
    Get my new eBook, How to an Online Information Business From Scratch!, available from http://howtobeanentrepreneuronline.com/index3.html


    Dr Bruce Hoag, CPsychol AFBPsS
    Work Psychologist & Business Coach

    Read my free eBook: How to BE an Entrepreneur 


    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:
    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.
    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.
    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?
    Best wishes,
    Mike  
    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000

    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu
    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.
    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh
    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.








  • 13.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 11:01

    I have been reading these comments with great interest.  It is quite amazing how we accept the teaching of things that have no evidence at all, yet question others which are claimed to lack evidence.  Many are willing to accept mystical beings judging our fate as sinners or saints despite there being no evidence existing to support such claims other than faith; at the same time people are less inclined to accept critical thinking can be taught, even if we have faith in it (the irony in rationality being that many who don't have faith in the latter, have strong faith in the former). Notwithstanding, I think if people look beyond OB into education research and  pedagogy you will find evidence that 'teaching' critical thinking is a worthwhile endeavour, as are related concepts such as reflectivity and reflexivity.  Most of our universities have education departments, I assure you if you ask someone in there to provide you with research on the impact of critical thinking in adult education they will kindly oblige. Moreover, don't let the scarcity of evidence in the effectiveness of teaching critical thinking in OB be confused with the poor conceptualization and operationalization of the concept in OB. 

     

    All my best,

    T. S. Pitsis

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoag
    Sent: 04 October 2012 10:15
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

     

    Just a comment regarding the "lack of evidence" that critical thinking can be taught.

     

    We don't know everything. We can't measure everything. And even what we know or can measure may not even be the most important parts of what we don't know or haven't measured.

     

    Should we just give up because there doesn't appear to be any evidence that such things are possible? If I thought that my efforts as a teacher could not produce the results that I desired, I would give up teaching. 

     

    After all: Why bother?

     
    Cheers, Bruce

    Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol, AFBPsS
    Business Coach

    "Helping ordinary people to create their own online business."
    ------------------------------------------------------
    Get my new eBook, How to an Online Information Business From Scratch!, available from http://howtobeanentrepreneuronline.com/index3.html

    Dr Bruce Hoag, CPsychol AFBPsS
    Work Psychologist & Business Coach

    Read my free eBook: How to BE an Entrepreneur 

     

    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:

    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu

    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.

     

     



  • 14.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-04-2012 23:02

    Colleagues,

     

    This is a very interesting discussion and I hope we all gain some new insights from it. The original question "should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?," I believe, should be complemented or supplemented with the question Should schools of business spend scarce resources on attempts to teach obsolete stuff? In some cases we teach dated theories and models; we rely heavily on lecturing which is considered as the least effective method, etc. We cannot teach critical thinking skills, among others soft skills, because the structure of most business schools, the traditions, methods, etc. would not support the teaching of many soft skills.

     

    I attended a 1990 workshop on teaching critical thinking which was done by Steven Brookfield and was attended by over 70 people, I think. I believe I was the only business faculty in the group. One of Brookfield's book is "Developing Critical Thinkers: Challenging Adults to Explore Alternative Ways of Thinking and Acting," (1987), San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass. I think there is a 1990 something edition of this book. This was a great experience!

     

    Thanks,

     

    Ivan

     

     

     

    Dr. R. Ivan Blanco

    Department of Management

    McCoy College of Business Administration    

    Texas State University - San Marcos

    San Marcos, TX 78666

    Phone (512) 245-1842   rb39@txstate.edu

     


    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] on behalf of Tyrone Pitsis [tyrone.pitsis@NEWCASTLE.AC.UK]
    Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:00 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    I have been reading these comments with great interest.  It is quite amazing how we accept the teaching of things that have no evidence at all, yet question others which are claimed to lack evidence.  Many are willing to accept mystical beings judging our fate as sinners or saints despite there being no evidence existing to support such claims other than faith; at the same time people are less inclined to accept critical thinking can be taught, even if we have faith in it (the irony in rationality being that many who don't have faith in the latter, have strong faith in the former). Notwithstanding, I think if people look beyond OB into education research and  pedagogy you will find evidence that 'teaching' critical thinking is a worthwhile endeavour, as are related concepts such as reflectivity and reflexivity.  Most of our universities have education departments, I assure you if you ask someone in there to provide you with research on the impact of critical thinking in adult education they will kindly oblige. Moreover, don't let the scarcity of evidence in the effectiveness of teaching critical thinking in OB be confused with the poor conceptualization and operationalization of the concept in OB. 

     

    All my best,

    T. S. Pitsis

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoag
    Sent: 04 October 2012 10:15
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

     

    Just a comment regarding the "lack of evidence" that critical thinking can be taught.

     

    We don't know everything. We can't measure everything. And even what we know or can measure may not even be the most important parts of what we don't know or haven't measured.

     

    Should we just give up because there doesn't appear to be any evidence that such things are possible? If I thought that my efforts as a teacher could not produce the results that I desired, I would give up teaching. 

     

    After all: Why bother?


    Cheers, Bruce

    Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol, AFBPsS
    Business Coach

    "Helping ordinary people to create their own online business."
    ------------------------------------------------------
    Get my new eBook, How to an Online Information Business From Scratch!, available from http://howtobeanentrepreneuronline.com/index3.html

    Dr Bruce Hoag, CPsychol AFBPsS
    Work Psychologist & Business Coach

    Read my free eBook: How to BE an Entrepreneur 

     

    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:

    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu

    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.

     

     



  • 15.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-05-2012 01:03
    If there is solid evidence that a skill is not trainable, and we go ahead to train people, then it becomes a situation of training a pig on how to fly. You end up wearing yourself (the trainer) out and annoying the pig.So the issue then is to show convincingly that a skill is not trainable. If we are not sure, as I can deduce from the e-mail trail, what do we do? You will recall the nature/nurture controversy. We still talk about it as regards to personality traits when we are not sure of the ratio of the contributions of nature/nurture. I think we should use the same approach. If we are absolutely sure  a skill is not trainable do not train people, if you are not sure continue to talk about it and state clearly what is known and what is not known.
     
    Another dimension will be if the skill has use in life. We have to talk about it and what we know about it. 
     
    Dr Okechukwu Amah
     

    From: Rob Briner <rbb25@MANAGEMENT.BATH.AC.UK>
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:19 AM
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    Hi Mike
     
    I've now had a little more time to apply some critical thinking to this.  And it seems that from my limited searching (see below) the evidence that critical thinking can be trained isn't that strong.  Though, given the low quality of most of the studies I guess we don't have much strong evidence that it can be trained – but nor do we have much strong evidence that it can't.  So it's an absence of evidence either way rather than any clear indication that it can't be trained.
     
    I agree with you that there are in general important ethical issues around trying to train skills when there is good quality and a reasonable quantity of relevant evidence that they are not trainable.
     
    You also raise the more general question of what it is that business school education is supposed to do and what evidence there is that it does it.
     
    Cheers
     
    Rob
     
    Abrami P. C., Bernard R. M., Borokhovski E., Wadem A., Surkes M. A., Tamim R., Zhang D. Instructional interventions affecting critical thinking skills and dispositions: a stage 1 meta-analysis. Rev. Educ. Res. 2008;78:1102–1134.
     
    Behar-Horenstein, L. S., & Niu, L. (2011). Teaching Critical Thinking Skills In Higher Education: A Review of the Literature Journal of College Teaching and Learning 8(2), 25-42.
     
    Bensley, D. A., Crowe, D. S., & Bernhardt, P. (2010). Teaching and assessing critical thinking skills for argument analysis in psychology. Teaching of Psychology, 37, 91-96.
     
    Halpern, D. F. (1998). Teaching critical thinking for transfer across domains: Dispositions, skills, structure training, and metacognitive monitoring. American Psychologist, 53, 449–455.
     
    Penningroth, S. L., Despain, L. H., & Gray, M. J. (2007). A course designed to improve psychological critical thinking. Teaching of Psychology, 34, 153–157.
     
     
    Rob B Briner | Professor of Organizational Psychology | School of Management | University of Bath
     
    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU
    Sent: 03 October 2012 16:09
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?
     
    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.
    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.
    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?
    Best wishes,
    Mike  
    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu
    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.
    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh
    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.
     


  • 16.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-05-2012 09:04

    I've been following the conversation. It's morphed from how to teach critical thinking skills, which was contested in its foundation. However, in another slant: It seems to me that lots of students are already able to perform critical thinking skills fairly well. After all, they've gotten into college, probably got through some level of high school. I'll concede that absolutely doesn't make them rocket scientists, but they've shown they can navigate some complex tasks.

     

    But my casual observations of students (and Americans) is that they're often  just plain lazy about using those skills. It's too easy in our sound-bite culture to depend on raw emotions and slogans rather than analyze complex and contradictory facts. This seems especially obvious to me in this fun-packed election year. I think what we can to as instructors is to provide students with opportunities to practice these skills and get them in the habit of using them on a daily basis. As should we all!

     

    Thanks for an interesting e-conversation.

     

    Nancy E. Day

    Associate Professor, HR & OB

    HW Bloch School of Management

    University of Missouri – Kansas City

    5110 Cherry

    Kansas City, Missouri 64110

    816-235-2333

    dayn@umkc.edu

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Blanco, R Ivan
    Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:02 PM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

     

    Colleagues,

     

    This is a very interesting discussion and I hope we all gain some new insights from it. The original question "should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?," I believe, should be complemented or supplemented with the question Should schools of business spend scarce resources on attempts to teach obsolete stuff? In some cases we teach dated theories and models; we rely heavily on lecturing which is considered as the least effective method, etc. We cannot teach critical thinking skills, among others soft skills, because the structure of most business schools, the traditions, methods, etc. would not support the teaching of many soft skills.

     

    I attended a 1990 workshop on teaching critical thinking which was done by Steven Brookfield and was attended by over 70 people, I think. I believe I was the only business faculty in the group. One of Brookfield's book is "Developing Critical Thinkers: Challenging Adults to Explore Alternative Ways of Thinking and Acting," (1987), San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass. I think there is a 1990 something edition of this book. This was a great experience!

     

    Thanks,

     

    Ivan

     

     

     

    Dr. R. Ivan Blanco

    Department of Management

    McCoy College of Business Administration    

    Texas State University - San Marcos

    San Marcos, TX 78666

    Phone (512) 245-1842   rb39@txstate.edu

     


    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] on behalf of Tyrone Pitsis [tyrone.pitsis@NEWCASTLE.AC.UK]
    Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:00 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    I have been reading these comments with great interest.  It is quite amazing how we accept the teaching of things that have no evidence at all, yet question others which are claimed to lack evidence.  Many are willing to accept mystical beings judging our fate as sinners or saints despite there being no evidence existing to support such claims other than faith; at the same time people are less inclined to accept critical thinking can be taught, even if we have faith in it (the irony in rationality being that many who don't have faith in the latter, have strong faith in the former). Notwithstanding, I think if people look beyond OB into education research and  pedagogy you will find evidence that 'teaching' critical thinking is a worthwhile endeavour, as are related concepts such as reflectivity and reflexivity.  Most of our universities have education departments, I assure you if you ask someone in there to provide you with research on the impact of critical thinking in adult education they will kindly oblige. Moreover, don't let the scarcity of evidence in the effectiveness of teaching critical thinking in OB be confused with the poor conceptualization and operationalization of the concept in OB. 

     

    All my best,

    T. S. Pitsis

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoag
    Sent: 04 October 2012 10:15
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

     

    Just a comment regarding the "lack of evidence" that critical thinking can be taught.

     

    We don't know everything. We can't measure everything. And even what we know or can measure may not even be the most important parts of what we don't know or haven't measured.

     

    Should we just give up because there doesn't appear to be any evidence that such things are possible? If I thought that my efforts as a teacher could not produce the results that I desired, I would give up teaching. 

     

    After all: Why bother?


    Cheers, Bruce

    Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol, AFBPsS
    Business Coach

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    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:

    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu

    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.

     

     



  • 17.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-05-2012 13:04
    Hello everyone,

    interesting conversation. Regarding the development of the type of skills you refer to and longitudinal studies on the impact of management education (purposely designed and not )on competency development and eventually on careers, you might be interested in these "evidence based" studies.

    Camuffo, A., Gerli, F., Borgo S. Somia' (2009). The Effects Of Management Education On Careers And Compensation: A Competency‐Based Study Of An Italian Mba Programme. The Journal Of Management Development , 28 (9) 839‐858.
    Camuffo, A., Gerli, F., Chiara, F., 2006, Tracking Careers to Improve Competency‐Based Management Education: A Longitudinal Study of Italian MBA's, in Wankel, C., Defilippi R., (eds.), New Visions of Graduate Management Education, The Research in Management Education and Development Series,
    Vol.5, Greenwich: Information Age Publishing

    Camuffo, A.,, F. Gerli, (2004). An integrated competency‐based approach to management education: an Italian MBA case study, International Journal of Training and Development. 8 (4) 240‐257.

    Cheers

    Arnaldo

    ---------------------------------------------------
    Arnaldo Camuffo
    Professor of Business Organization
    Director of the PhD Program in Business Administration and Management
    Department of Management and Technology
    Bocconi University
    Viale Roentgen, 1 - 4th floor - office E2-07
    20136 Milan ITALY
    Phone +390258362630
    Fax      +390258362634
    e-mail arnaldo.camuffo@unibocconi.it

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Amy Crook
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 4:26 PM
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?


    I agree with Bradley regarding our lack of good longitudinal work. To this end, I am currently in year one of a planned 3 year longitudinal study that will measure the emotional intelligence and professionalism of our MBA students from start to finish of our program. I am using existing measures of general emotional intelligence and am building a situational judgment test that more specifically measures emotion management in business scenarios to determine if our students increase their baseline emotional intelligence (not explicitly taught in our courses) vs. their business-specific emotional intelligence. If there are other faculty who are interested in measuring such predictors and outcomes in your school’s MBA programs, let me know as I’d be open to collaborating and sharing my materials.
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Amy E. Crook, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor of Management
    College of Business Administration
    Belmont University
    Office: Massey 322C
    Phone: 615-490-8796
    Email: amy.crook@belmont.edu
     
    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brummel, Bradley
    Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:42 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?
     
    I think there is an important distinction that needs to be made in this discussion between mean-level and rank-order change. The personality psychologists such as Brent Roberts have done a good job with this recently. I am pretty sure than no one believes that critical thinking skills are at the same level throughout someone's education. That is, a fourth grader does not have the same reasoning skills she will have at the high school or college level even if she remains a 85th percentile critical reasoner compared with her peers. Just because the best reasoners are still the best after an MBA program doesn't mean they all haven't improved overall.

    If our MBA and other MA programs are not improving our student's critical reasoning skills, then we should give them their money back and shut them down. They can learn the laws for finance and HR much cheaper online. They might even be able to meet other achievement minded people there too if all the MBA is about is networking. Personally I believe an MBA can really change an individual's approach to critical thinking and business problem solving, but I teach I/O psych students, so I may be naive on this point.

    Also, this is on area where MA will probably not save us. We need good primary studies for MA to be useful. As In-Sue indicates, these are not readily available. We have been too lazy too do this kind of good longitudinal work. Perhaps if we really cared about demonstrating that our programs taught critical thinking, we would measure it before and after with Assessment Center-like techniques and have some good data to share with the field.

    Bradley Brummel
    Assistant Professor of Psychology
    The University of Tulsa



    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] on behalf of In-Sue Oh [insue.oh@GMAIL.COM]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:23 PM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?
    Hi Mike,
     
    Great points!! I cannot name any reference right off the top of my head. While I was working on a large-scale meta-analysis on the college intervention effects a while ago at ACT, I read some of those studies. But, most, if not all, studies, even when they showed some meaningful  or statistically significant changes (within-subject design) or differences (between-subjects design), were often based on suboptimal designs (e.g., mostly quasi-experiments where control groups were not comparable to intervention groups; between-subjects studies measured those skills ONLY AFTER the intervention; small sample sizes or too large samples [quasi-experiments], etc.). So, their findings were confounded with many extraneous factors. I guess we need a comprehensive MA on this. As you will agree, I guess interventions aiming at more g-loaded constructs and traits (rather than states) will show lower intervention effects, though there will be some boundary conditions. Related to this, Fred Luthans and his colleagues have shown that PsyCap (a state-like variable) can be enhanced considerably through interventions. There are some other examples (e.g., goal setting, self-efficacy). But, I have not seen any systematic study focusing on more g-loaded constructs such as critical thinking, problem solving... We often measure those constructs via assessment centers though.
     
    Anyhow, a comprehensive MA on this issue will better guide and inform relevant practice and will be very useful to b-school and AACSB administrators in resource allocation and curriculum evaluation decisions, respectively! Evidence-based b-school education can vastly benefit from such MAs, I think.
     
    In-Sue
    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:
    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.
    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, “soft skills”, leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.
    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?
    Best wishes,
    Mike  
    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000
    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.
    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh
    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.

     
     


  • 18.  Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Posted 10-06-2012 00:32
    I agree with Bruce. If we have no experience in training a student how to ride a bike or how to swim, we will find doing it very difficult. Does that mean we cannot train them to master the skills? The answer is no.
     
    Ahthough you have no successful experience in improving students' critical thinking, that doesn't mean we cannot do it. Acatually, I have made a lot of efforts to train my Ph.D. students to think critically in the past five years, I find that they do make progress.  
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    E-mail:zhangkai@rbs.org.cn
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    在2012-10-04,"Bruce Hoag" <b.hoag@P-ADVANTAGE.COM> 写道:
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    主题: Re: [OB-LIST] Should business schools spend scarce resources on attempts to teach skills that are not trainable?

    Just a comment regarding the "lack of evidence" that critical thinking can be taught.

    We don't know everything. We can't measure everything. And even what we know or can measure may not even be the most important parts of what we don't know or haven't measured.

    Should we just give up because there doesn't appear to be any evidence that such things are possible? If I thought that my efforts as a teacher could not produce the results that I desired, I would give up teaching. 

    After all: Why bother?
     
    Cheers, Bruce

    Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol, AFBPsS
    Business Coach

    "Helping ordinary people to create their own online business."
    ------------------------------------------------------
    Get my new eBook, How to an Online Information Business From Scratch!, available from http://howtobeanentrepreneuronline.com/index3.html


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    Work Psychologist & Business Coach

    Read my free eBook: How to BE an Entrepreneur 



    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Michael A McDaniel/AC/VCU <mamcdani@vcu.edu> wrote:
    There was a recent exchange on this e-mail list about workshops/courses designed to increase critical thinking skills. I know of no evidence that one can train such skills.  Perhaps there is some evidence and I am simply not aware of it. If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    This note concerns trends in management skills education on topics that  do not appear to be supported by any evidence that the skills can be trained.  For example, one can find training or courses designed to increase ethical behavior, practical intelligence, emotional intelligence, "soft skills", leadership, and critical thinking. Perhaps there is some evidence of which I am not aware that demonstrate that these skills can be improved meaningfully with training.  If you have such evidence, please send it to me.

    University education becomes more expensive with each passing year.  In many universities, tuition increases are constrained. In many universities, business school budgets face pressure. Given financial pressure, should business schools spend scarce resources on teaching skills that are not amenable to meaningful change?

    Best wishes,

    Mike  

    Michael A. McDaniel, Ph.D.
    Professor - Human Resources and
    Organizational Behavior
    Department of Management,
    Research Professor, Department of Psychology
    Virginia Commonwealth University
    301 West Main Street, PO Box 844000
    Richmond, VA 23284-4000

    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/
    voice: 804.827.0209
    e-mail: MAMcDani@vcu.edu
    The Management Department of the VCU School of Business offers a Ph.D. in Business. Participating faculty with research interests in OB and HR include: Ron Humphrey, Sven Kepes, Michael McDaniel, & Doug Pugh.

    We are currently recuiting two faculty in OB/HR, open rank. Interested parties should contact Doug Pugh

    Students with interest in the doctoral program, should contact Doug Pugh.