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  • 1.  European PhDs - use an external service

    Posted 10-19-2009 10:29
    Dear Bruce and others
    this has come up many times for me having a PhD from another Manchester University & working elsewhere including the USA!  Either request your PhD awarding institution to send an official transcript directly to the University concerned - they seem to be able to even though there is no transcript!.  Another method - I had to have the PhD reevaluated by an external service for the purposes of the USA.  Follow that up - its known as an Academic Equivalency Evaluation and an example of one company is The TrustForte Corporation at www.trustfortecorp.com - they give an educational equivalent in the USA.
    Hope that helps
    Linzi

    On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Bruce Hoag wrote:

    Dear Collegues,

    Apologies again for cross-postings. I've received no end of help from this list-serv in the past, so I hope that you will have some good advice for me on this occasion as well.

    I received my PhD from the Manchester Business School (MBS) in the United Kingdom. Those of you who are familiar with European programs will know that most of these schools award PhDs on the strength of the dissertation alone - that is, there are no courses, and therefore no transcripts. This is also true in my case. The same degree of rigor is demanded, but evaluated in a different way. MBS is accredited by the AACSB International, as are UCLA, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Northwestern, Stanford and Yale; so, you can see that the accreditation is valid.

    My problem is that the University of Phoenix, where I teach periodically as an adjunct, is demanding transcripts to support my PhD. At first, they said that a letter from MBS would be sufficient; but now they appear to have changed their mind. If they refuse to accept my degree, I will be paid as if I only had a Masters. Since most of you have PhDs, you can imagine how I feel about this.

    I would like to hear from those of you have encountered similar problems, either as one who holds a PhD from a non-transcript granting school and have been hired by schools that normally require them or who have hired faculty with PhDs who did not have transcripts. How do I handle this problem? What leverage is available to me to get these people to recognize my degree?

    As always, I'm especially appreciative of your counsel.

    Cheers, Bruce

    Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol
    Organizational Psychologist

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  • 2.  European PhDs - use an external service

    Posted 10-19-2009 11:33

    Bruce,

     

    One thing you could do is to find another university which possess a better understanding of the global market in which we operate today! Based on the quote I use for signature below, look for an university where the faculty & administrators function somewhat outside the "proverbial box."

     

    Thanks,

     

    Ivan

     

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Linzi Kemp
    Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:29 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] European PhDs - use an external service

     

    Dear Bruce and others

    this has come up many times for me having a PhD from another Manchester University & working elsewhere including the USA!  Either request your PhD awarding institution to send an official transcript directly to the University concerned - they seem to be able to even though there is no transcript!.  Another method - I had to have the PhD reevaluated by an external service for the purposes of the USA.  Follow that up - its known as an Academic Equivalency Evaluation and an example of one company is The TrustForte Corporation at www.trustfortecorp.com - they give an educational equivalent in the USA.

    Hope that helps

    Linzi

     

    On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Bruce Hoag wrote:



    Dear Collegues,

    Apologies again for cross-postings. I've received no end of help from this list-serv in the past, so I hope that you will have some good advice for me on this occasion as well.

    I received my PhD from the Manchester Business School (MBS) in the United Kingdom. Those of you who are familiar with European programs will know that most of these schools award PhDs on the strength of the dissertation alone - that is, there are no courses, and therefore no transcripts. This is also true in my case. The same degree of rigor is demanded, but evaluated in a different way. MBS is accredited by the AACSB International, as are UCLA, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Northwestern, Stanford and Yale; so, you can see that the accreditation is valid.

    My problem is that the University of Phoenix, where I teach periodically as an adjunct, is demanding transcripts to support my PhD. At first, they said that a letter from MBS would be sufficient; but now they appear to have changed their mind. If they refuse to accept my degree, I will be paid as if I only had a Masters. Since most of you have PhDs, you can imagine how I feel about this.

    I would like to hear from those of you have encountered similar problems, either as one who holds a PhD from a non-transcript granting school and have been hired by schools that normally require them or who have hired faculty with PhDs who did not have transcripts. How do I handle this problem? What leverage is available to me to get these people to recognize my degree?

    As always, I'm especially appreciative of your counsel.

    Cheers, Bruce

    Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol
    Organizational Psychologist

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  • 3.  European PhDs - use an external service

    Posted 10-20-2009 03:32
    Bruce,
     
    One Option may be, you make a request from MBS to send a confirmation letter about its policy to your university. You as an individual may not may able to policies of different universities.
    best wishes
    Anil Chandrakumara
    --- On Mon, 19/10/09, Blanco, R Ivan <rb39@TXSTATE.EDU> wrote:

    From: Blanco, R Ivan <rb39@TXSTATE.EDU>
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] European PhDs - use an external service
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Date: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 4:32 PM

    Bruce,

     

    One thing you could do is to find another university which possess a better understanding of the global market in which we operate today! Based on the quote I use for signature below, look for an university where the faculty & administrators function somewhat outside the "proverbial box."

     

    Thanks,

     

    Ivan

     

     

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Linzi Kemp
    Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:29 AM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: [OB-LIST] European PhDs - use an external service

     

    Dear Bruce and others

    this has come up many times for me having a PhD from another Manchester University & working elsewhere including the USA!  Either request your PhD awarding institution to send an official transcript directly to the University concerned - they seem to be able to even though there is no transcript!.  Another method - I had to have the PhD reevaluated by an external service for the purposes of the USA.  Follow that up - its known as an Academic Equivalency Evaluation and an example of one company is The TrustForte Corporation at www.trustfortecorp.com - they give an educational equivalent in the USA.

    Hope that helps

    Linzi

     

    On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Bruce Hoag wrote:



    Dear Collegues,

    Apologies again for cross-postings. I've received no end of help from this list-serv in the past, so I hope that you will have some good advice for me on this occasion as well.

    I received my PhD from the Manchester Business School (MBS) in the United Kingdom. Those of you who are familiar with European programs will know that most of these schools award PhDs on the strength of the dissertation alone - that is, there are no courses, and therefore no transcripts. This is also true in my case. The same degree of rigor is demanded, but evaluated in a different way. MBS is accredited by the AACSB International, as are UCLA, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Northwestern, Stanford and Yale; so, you can see that the accreditation is valid.

    My problem is that the University of Phoenix, where I teach periodically as an adjunct, is demanding transcripts to support my PhD. At first, they said that a letter from MBS would be sufficient; but now they appear to have changed their mind. If they refuse to accept my degree, I will be paid as if I only had a Masters. Since most of you have PhDs, you can imagine how I feel about this.

    I would like to hear from those of you have encountered similar problems, either as one who holds a PhD from a non-transcript granting school and have been hired by schools that normally require them or who have hired faculty with PhDs who did not have transcripts. How do I handle this problem? What leverage is available to me to get these people to recognize my degree?

    As always, I'm especially appreciative of your counsel.

    Cheers, Bruce

    Bruce Hoag, PhD, CPsychol
    Organizational Psychologist

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