Drear John,
Re the last comment - see:
Baruch, Y. (2001). Global or North American top management journals. Journal of Cross-cultural Management, 1(1): 109-126.
Yours,
Yehuda
Professor Yehuda Baruch
Editor, Group & Organization Management
Norwich Business School, UEA, UK
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Sent: Sun 20/04/2008 14:58
To:
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Subject: Re: European PhDs
Hi:
We have to be careful here about these rankings because they might not give the correct impression about the research strength of program or how the program provides strong training to students. I searched on the FT page and could not find information on ranking of doctoral programs. Perhaps this ranking has been discontinued--from what I know about FT, there are other components in the ranking score that can affect ranking (i.e., components that do not tap into research).
The most important criterion for legitimizing the doctoral degree is probably faculty research output in top journals (in addition to rigor in the doctoral program). A very objective ranking of business schools is the UTD ranking, which counts papers published (divided by number of authors) in top-ranked business journals.
For instance, select a series of journals in a particular domain for a certain period (e.g., 2005-2007) and then you can see how well schools are doing. Be sure to click the "world-wide" option.
http://somweb.utdallas.edu/top100Ranking/searchRanking.php?t=j
If selecting all journals, by this criterion, which I think is the best single criterion reflecting faculty quality, some of the top-ranked schools in Europe are:
Insead
London Business School
Tilburg
Erasmus University
Maastricht
Mannheim
Interestingly, guess what these schools have in common (based on my quick search--e.g., see
http://www.insead.edu/phd/program/index.cfm or
http://www.london.edu/programmes1189.html ? They all have strong taught components in their Ph.D. programs focusing on methods and substantive issues.
This is the kind of stuff that U.S. schools do so I am sure that they would have no problem accepting an individual who has had solid training (as per standard U.S. criteria). The counterfactual would also have to be explored (i.e., do the bottom ranked schools have strong taught components--I don't know nor do I have the time to look)
The point that I am trying to get across here is that many top European schools have strong taught components in their programs.
Finally, about the bias and how it might affect publication in a top journal; to my knowledge, there is no study showing that there is a bias (i.e., that top international/U.S. journals are more likely to take quality manuscripts from U.S. institutions as opposed to the same quality manuscripts from non-U.S. institutions).
Best,
John Antonakis.
At 18:33 15.04.2008 +0100, you wrote:
Amazing! MBS has the best ranked PhD programme in the world (according to FT). I think this is a very important issue and needs to be voiced more. I am also concerned if the biased view affects publications in the top journals (mostly US) from European researchers?
Shandana
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Usman Raja <
usmanraja@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Bruce and Bernd,
I think everyone is right in his / her own right. I agree with Bruce that in general a European PhD is not recognized well in the US and Canada. Similarly, Bernd is right in saying that a PhD from NZ would in general not get much of a preference in Europe and the US.
Actually the whole issue is very complicated and too sensitive for a discussion on such a forum. In my personal experience, from Pakistan it can be as difficult and frustrating to make it to the first cut list in North American, European, NZ & Australian universities even with a typical North American PhD and an average research record including a publication in AMJ.
All the best.
Usman
On 4/15/08, Bernd Kupka <
coachkupka@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bruce,
In my own experience there are only three options:
1) you apply to R2 institutions, i.e., teaching oriented programs who are more likely to accept you,
2) you get lucky and find an institution that is flexible enough to look beyond the traditional degree specifications, or
3) you stay out of the US market ...
European programs aren't any better in terms of restricting your access to their programs if you have a "non-traditional European" degree ... I have a degree from New Zealand - both, US and European institutions were VERY hesitant to accept that ... I eventually got lucky and found a very nice program that was only interested in me as a person, my current abilities, and my interests/strengths ...
Good luck!!!
Bernd Kupka, Ph.D.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:33:37 -0700
From:
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Subject: European PhDs
To:
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Vu Tran submitted on behalf of Bruce Hoag at
brucehoag1@gmail.com
Dear Colleagues,
I have problem, and everyone I have contacted thus far does not know how to solve it. The problem is far from unique, so I am appealing to you for advice on what to do.
I graduated with my PhD from the Manchester Business School in the United Kingdom last year. The London Financial Times recently rated this doctoral program as No. 1 in the world.
The problem concerns the path to obtaining a European PhD. European PhDs, as a rule, are not course-based. That is, students are not required to take courses and pass comprehensive exams before engaging in the research that will lead to their dissertations. Instead, the research begins on the first day and continues until the dissertation is handed in. Then there is an oral defense in the presence of an internal examiner (from the university where the student is enrolled) and an external examiner (someone in a similar research area who is from another university). The external examiner has the final say in whether or not the degree is awarded. This makes the process an apprenticeship more than anything else.
The "problem" with this process is that US universities don't seem to know what courses a person with a European PhD is qualified to teach. As a result, they revert back to courses that were taken at the Masters level which means that they are not recognizing the PhD. This, it seems to me, is supremely unjust. We all know that you can take every course in the catalogue and still be ABD. It's the dissertation that matters, not all the hoops you had to jump through to get it accepted.
What experiences have you had with this "problem," and how can we as a community solve it?
Bruce
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