In response to Ivan and Charlie's statements regarding these self-assessment tools and their ability to "pigeon hole" or not help all our students, I would propose that these tests were not meant to be taken so literally. When I present them to students, I do so with the understanding that these are generalizations and the results are only based on their self-reported behavior; i.e., if they were not honest, their results will be flawed. These assessments were meant to be a starting point in self-awareness so that they can be aware of how others "might" see them. I agree that we cannot solve all our students' problems, nor cure them of what ails them, but we can give them tools from which they begin to build themselves as whole individuals, not just technically competent robots.
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JoDee Salisbury, Ph.D., SPHR
System Director of Business Administration Programs
Baker College
34950 Little Mack
Clinton Twp., MI 48035
586.790.9458
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--Robert Greenleaf, ATT
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>Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:41:29 -0700
>From: Charles Ehin <
kalev1@MSN.COM>
>Subject: Re: self-assessments
>To:
OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
>
> I’d like to add to Ivan Blanco’s very perceptive
> statement. What we need to keep in mind is that of
> all the billions of people that have lived or
> continue to live on this planet no two people have
> ever been genetically identical. Even identical
> twins are not completely identical. Therefore, no
> individual can look at the same social context (or
> anything else for that matter) and see it exactly
> the same way as another individual. Thus,
> assessments “pigeon hole” people which makes
> them so dangerous.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Charlie
>
> Charles (Kalev) Ehin, Ph.D.
> Emeritus Professor of Management
> The Gore School of Business
> Westminster College, Salt Lake City
>
kalev1@msn.com
>
www.UnManagement.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Blanco, R Ivan
> To:
OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: self-assessments
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
>
> Our abilities and capabilities change over time.
> What we are today may not be what we are tomorrow.
> Education, experiences, maturity, and other
> processes change us over time. What is the true
> benefit of these self-assessment tools? I have
> been put through t-training, marriage counseling,
> the Myers Briggs and others during the last 30
> plus years, and I still don't know what those
> things had done for me. Do they really help the
> students? Or, do we want to believe they do? Do
> we know how many students we might have driven
> away from many good things in their lives with
> these self-assessment tests? What if we do more
> harm than good? I am convinced that most of those
> assessment tools are even dangerous in the hands
> of highly trained professionals. Honestly, what
> good do they do if we have the students for only
> one semester and cannot do any type of follow on
> what happens to them in the long-term? (No sales
> pitch, please!) Is it our responsibility to
> expose them to professional or technical know-how
> or to engage ourselves directly in their emotional
> development as individuals?
>
>
>
> In my more than 40 years of involvement with
> organizations (as employee/manager, student of
> organizations and as a teacher) I have learned
> that not everyone can be "saved" and that in many
> situations we are not well equipped to do so.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ivan
>
>
> Dr. R. Ivan Blanco
> Department of Management
> McCoy College of Business Administration
> Texas State University - San Marcos
> San Marcos, TX 78666
> Phone (512) 245-1842
> Fax (512) 245-2850
>
rb39@txstate.edu
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> The trouble with other cultures is that the people
> don't behave the way they're supposed to, that is,
> like us. The solution to this difficulty is not
> to expect them to." Craig Storti, The Art of
> Crossing Cultures (1990).
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> Las naciones marchan al termino de su grandeza con
> el mismo paso que camina su educacion.
> Nations march toward their greatness at the same
> pace as their educational systems evolve. Simon
> Bolivar
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>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv on
> behalf of eric larsen
> Sent: Sat 2/9/2008 3:38 PM
> To:
OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
> Subject: Re: self-assessments
>
> Dear Those Interested:
>
> My initial response on this matter was in part
> because I myself had once underestimated just how
> seriously some students can take these
> assessments. Upon some reflection, I would have
> expressed my initial e-mail in this thread
> differently. My, somewhat alarmist, response was
> in part meant to encourage further thought in the
> one or two future self-assessment users whom also
> might not appreciate the potential impact of these
> self-assessments and to encourage "our" caring and
> highly engaged involvement with our students
> through these processes.
>
> Both James G. Clawson and Robert F. Hurley have
> demonstrated seriously focus in these matters.
> For my part, I consider these two individuals to
> be among those worth looking to for the lead in
> this matter.
>
> Cordially,
> Eric C., T. E., Larsen
>
> ________________________________
>
> > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:59:14 -0500
> > From:
ClawsonJ@DARDEN.VIRGINIA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: self-assessments
> > To:
OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
> >
> > I agree heartily w/ Eric's concern and that's
> the reason why we counsel our students (all FY MBA
> students did this for the last three years) that
> no single instrument is accurate enough or
> comprehensive enough to hang your hat on. Only
> when patterns recur in multiple data pools do we
> begin to "believe.". We also assert that the
> strength of each subsequent insight or life theme
> can be assesed by the volume of data, the number
> of instruments, the volume of disconfirming data
> (who has none?), and the quality of the logic
> relating each datum to the indeced theme label.
> > Respectfully,
> > Jim
> > --------------------------
> > James G. Clawson
> > Sent using BlackBerry
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv
> <
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> > To:
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> > Sent: Fri Feb 08 17:16:28 2008
> > Subject: Re: self-assessments
> >
> > Dear Those Interested:
> >
> > Not that anyone is not being sensitive enough,
> but because it is not known how people might take
> this thread, I offer the following:
> >
> > As a graduate student I got handed the enviable
> task of providing feedback on about 1,800 (yes
> 1,800) reflection papers based on
> self-assessments. The sample doing the reflecting
> was comprised of MBA students and this process
> took place over a four year period. Please beware
> the casual use of any self-assessment assignments,
> be they "off the shelf", "packaged for profit", or
> in some other way handled by technology that might
> not account for 100% of individual differences in
> classifying individuals (n.b., does not leave any
> tools I am aware of). Serious focus on what
> individual students are taking away from these
> self-assessment experiences is warranted.
> Academics are often undercompensated for their
> time, and while I thus understand the interest in
> leverage and scalability, please remember that
> these students are real people who have come to us
> for growth and in some cases help. I am not saying
> "do not use these tools." I am asking that you
> realize the potential of underestimating the power
> of these tools and take appropriate precautions as
> such.
> >
> > Cordially,
> > Eric C., T. E., Larsen
> >
> >
> > Scholar and Faculty
> >
> >
> >
> > Department of Management
> >
> > School of Business
> >
> > SUNY: University at Albany
> >
> >
> >
> > School of Business and Technology
> >
> > Endicott College
> >
> >
> >
> > Department of Management
> >
> > Bertolon School of Business
> >
> > SalemState College
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:32:55 -0500
> > > From:
aneil.mishra@MBA.WFU.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: self-assessments
> > > To:
OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
> > >
> > > I haven't read all the postings on this
> thread, so I apologize if I'm
> > > repeating material that others have suggested.
> I did have the time to read
> > > Jim Clawsen's posting, and I wholeheartedly
> agree with trying to help
> > > students find patterns across different
> assessments. I'm a big fan of MBTI,
> > > use the StrengthsFinder 2.0 assessment
> (Gallup), FIRO-B, and the Competing
> > > Values framework and assessment developed by
> my mentors Kim Cameron and Bob
> > > Quinn at Michigan along with their colleagues.
> I've used all quite
> > > successfully individually, but the real power
> (and validity I believe) comes
> > > from finding intersections across these
> different instruments which are
> > > based on theories or empiricism that are quite
> different from one another.
> > >
> > > I look forward to reading the rest of these
> postings on this thread.
> > >
> > > Aneil Mishra
> > > Wake Forest U.
> > > MBTI Type: ESTP
> >
> >
> >
> >
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