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self-assessments

  • 1.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-06-2008 14:29

    Does anyone have resources for obtaining free or low cost self-assessments (e.g., personality, person/org. fit, leadership style, etc.)?  I use Prentice Hall's Self-Assessment Library currently, but I don't think it's really worth the cost per student.

     

    Thank you,

     

    Mike

     

    Michael E. Palanski, Ph.D.

    Visiting Lecturer, Rochester Institute of Technology

    607.206.2990

     



  • 2.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-06-2008 15:36

    Mike,

     

    Have you checked out the International Personality Item Pool?  It is public domain and some of the scales available may be useful to you.

     

    Here is the website: http://ipip.ori.org/ipip/

     

    Good luck,

     

    Bart

     

     

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    Subject: self-assessments

     

    Does anyone have resources for obtaining free or low cost self-assessments (e.g., personality, person/org. fit, leadership style, etc.)?  I use Prentice Hall's Self-Assessment Library currently, but I don't think it's really worth the cost per student.

     

    Thank you,

     

    Mike

     

    Michael E. Palanski, Ph.D.

    Visiting Lecturer, Rochester Institute of Technology

    607.206.2990

     



  • 3.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-06-2008 15:36

    Mike, 

     

    I use Robbins & Judge (a PH book) for my undergrad OB course and I believe the self-assessments come with the textbook in the form of a CD <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ROM.</st1:place></st1:country-region>  The problem I have had is with students who buy used books which contain no CD <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ROM.</st1:place></st1:country-region>  They have to purchase an access kit to do the self-assessments and I think it runs around $30.  I also use Ivancevich, Konopaske, & Matteson (a McGraw-Hill book) for my graduate <st1:place w:st="on">OB</st1:place> course.  It also comes with several self-assessments, but I do not think student access is restricted (i.e., I don't think a pass code is required).  Try this link:  http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0073405086/student_view0/self-assessment_exercises.html.

     

    Alternatively, I have used some of the self-assessments from http://similarminds.com/ but I can't really vouch for their validity and they only have personality assessments.  Hope these are helpful and good luck.

     

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    Assistant Professor of Management

    College of Business Administration

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    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv [mailto:OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Palanski
    Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:29 PM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: self-assessments

     

    Does anyone have resources for obtaining free or low cost self-assessments (e.g., personality, person/org. fit, leadership style, etc.)?  I use Prentice Hall's Self-Assessment Library currently, but I don't think it's really worth the cost per student.

     

    Thank you,

     

    Mike

     

    Michael E. Palanski, Ph.D.

    Visiting Lecturer, Rochester Institute of Technology

    607.206.2990

     



  • 4.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-06-2008 16:56

    Michael,

    (1) http://ipip.ori.org/ has public domain personality items.  I have used the 50 item Big 5 test for which I built a self scoring form that treats the items as dichotomous.  To self-score it, the respondents just need to need count as opposed to add (a challenge for some) and yields  scores from 0 to 10 on each scale.  There was also a flurry of Big 5 scales on this list a few months ago.

    (2) I use the Self-Directed Search which costs about $1.75 each available from a test publisher called PAR.  You can have the students stand around the room by their top RIASEC code and interview them to highlight the difference between the RIASEC codes.  

    (3) It is not hard to build a home grown cognitive ability test using number series items, vocabulary items, and items fitting this format: which of these is different from the other three (e.g., wool,  rayon, polyester, nylon) .  Administering such a test is useful if you are covering distinctions between fluid and crystallized intelligence, or if you want to cover the literature on race, sex, and age differences in cognitive ability tests..

    Many self-assessments that come with text books are not research-based and often are very inaccurate measures.

    Best wishes,

    Mike

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    Does anyone have resources for obtaining free or low cost self-assessments (e.g., personality, person/org. fit, leadership style, etc.)?  I use Prentice Hall's Self-Assessment Library currently, but I don't think it's really worth the cost per student.
     
    Thank you,
     
    Mike
     
    Michael E. Palanski, Ph.D.
    Visiting Lecturer, Rochester Institute of Technology
    607.206.2990
     


  • 5.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-06-2008 23:02

    Dear Mike,

     

    Your inquiry piques my interest in that I have for 30 years, first at Harvard and then at Virginia, taught careers courses based on the premise that no single assessment is accurate enough or comprehensive enough to hang your hat on.  I'm not sure how you're using these assessments, whether they augment isolated principles in class-or whether you choose instruments to help students get an integrated picture of who they are.   I prefer the latter and use multiple instruments to help students build a fairly comprehensive picture of their personalities.  My senior colleagues at Harvard called these "life themes"-enduring patterns that taken together in essence define one's personality, at least in broad strokes.  We used some 15-25 instruments in combination over the years in the "Self Assessment and Career Development" course.  As the web expanded, some colleagues at Darden and I gradually moved most of these instruments to the web and began using the site for our course work.  The site is www.CareerNextStep.com.  We offer 18 different instruments, guidance and instruction for the construction of life themes, career option analysis tool, job analysis tool, and lots of references and career guidance... an on-line career counselor if you will.  If this kind of assessment is not your intent and/or if cost is a big issue, this may not be for you.   We make the site available to students for a year for $100 and $20 a year thereafter.  One's data is stored, always there, ready to go any time anywhere.  And always able to be refined, revised, retaken, etc.   You are probably aware of the CPP site and the on-line instruments there or for example the LSI at Hay.  Most of these instruments are in the $15-25 per instrument range.  And they still are only single instruments with single, isolated interpretations.  I find the power to be in finding the consistent patterns that emerge across data pools/instruments.  The really valuable by-product of this is that it teaches them pattern recognition/inductive logic skills that every manager needs-how to scan multiple pools of data, see the recurring themes, identify them, and then make high stakes decisions (in students' cases, accepting a job offer) and live with the results.  So, I'm not sure how you plan to use these instruments... and just wanted to throw some additional concepts into the ring of consideration.  And I'm sure that Steve (Robbins) would love to hear your feedback on the PH library.  Okay... just some additional thoughts for your review.

     

    Respectfully,

       Jim

    James G. S. Clawson

    Johnson & Higgins Professor of Business Administration

    Darden GSB, University of Virginia

    Box 6550, Charlottesville, VA 22906  

    100 Darden Boulevard, Charlottesville, VA 22903  USA

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    Web:  http://faculty.darden.virginia.edu/clawsonj

     

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    Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:29 PM
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    Subject: self-assessments

     

    Does anyone have resources for obtaining free or low cost self-assessments (e.g., personality, person/org. fit, leadership style, etc.)?  I use Prentice Hall's Self-Assessment Library currently, but I don't think it's really worth the cost per student.

     

    Thank you,

     

    Mike

     

    Michael E. Palanski, Ph.D.

    Visiting Lecturer, Rochester Institute of Technology

    607.206.2990

     



  • 6.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-06-2008 23:48
    http://www.queendom.com/

    has some tests that are scientifically valid (they usually notate that when they are). You have to register to use the site (free to register and as far as I can determine no spam) and pay if you want detailed results (the teaser results are often enough to get discussion started - I use the emotional intelligence test with my undergrad org beh class and there is enough in the teaser results to be useful to them)

    Carolyn
    Dept of Mgt.
    U of ID



  • 7.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-07-2008 13:45
    I have a wonderful source that I have used successfully for 20 years. The people who hold the copyright are supportive and give me an academic discount. I suggest that you call and make arrangements for samples. It is a 4 quadrant instrument based on Jung and Marston.It provides patterns rather than specific categories. It also recognizes the difference in public, private and projected styles. It is, therefore, very similar to Performax. It is called Personal Concept..DiSC. As an OB instructor, you would not have to worry about certification. The people who own this copyright respect the knowledge that we already have. And again, their price cannot be beat!
    I can provide a copy of explanatory materials that I have written as well as a chart that compares this with other instruments. In fact, years ago I did an presentation at OBTC concerning this instrument.

    Currently a colleague and I are writing an article using statistical research that we have been doing over the past couple of years...and hopefully will be submitting to JME this Spring.

    Hunter Wells International
    115 5th Green Court
    Atlanta, GA 30305
    Phone 770-640-7740

    Their e-mail is in the CC .

    Good Luck! and Thanks for Asking.

    Nell


    Nell Tabor Hartley,Ph.D.
    Professor of Management
    Robert Morris University
    6001 University Boulevard
    Moon Township, PA 15108
    (412) 262-8294

    hartley@rmu.edu
    (412)262-8294

    >>> Michael Palanski <mpalanski@GMAIL.COM> 2/6/2008 2:28 PM >>>
    Does anyone have resources for obtaining free or low cost self-assessments
    (e.g., personality, person/org. fit, leadership style, etc.)? I use
    Prentice Hall's Self-Assessment Library currently, but I don't think it's
    really worth the cost per student.



    Thank you,



    Mike



    Michael E. Palanski, Ph.D.

    Visiting Lecturer, Rochester Institute of Technology

    607.206.2990


  • 8.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-08-2008 11:33
    I haven't read all the postings on this thread, so I apologize if I'm
    repeating material that others have suggested. I did have the time to read
    Jim Clawsen's posting, and I wholeheartedly agree with trying to help
    students find patterns across different assessments. I'm a big fan of MBTI,
    use the StrengthsFinder 2.0 assessment (Gallup), FIRO-B, and the Competing
    Values framework and assessment developed by my mentors Kim Cameron and Bob
    Quinn at Michigan along with their colleagues. I've used all quite
    successfully individually, but the real power (and validity I believe) comes
    from finding intersections across these different instruments which are
    based on theories or empiricism that are quite different from one another.

    I look forward to reading the rest of these postings on this thread.

    Aneil Mishra
    Wake Forest U.
    MBTI Type: ESTP


  • 9.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-08-2008 17:16
    Dear Those Interested:
     
    Not that anyone is not being sensitive enough, but because it is not known how people might take this thread, I offer the following:
     
    As a graduate student I got handed the enviable task of providing feedback on about 1,800 (yes 1,800) reflection papers based on self-assessments.  The sample doing the reflecting was comprised of MBA students and this process took place over a four year period.  Please beware the casual use of any self-assessment assignments, be they "off the shelf", "packaged for profit", or in some other way handled by technology that might not account for 100% of individual differences in classifying individuals (n.b., does not leave any tools I am aware of).  Serious focus on what individual students are taking away from these self-assessment experiences is warranted.  Academics are often undercompensated for their time, and while I thus understand the interest in leverage and scalability, please remember that these students are real people who have come to us for growth and in some cases help.  I am not saying "do not use these tools."  I am asking that you realize the potential of underestimating the power of these tools and take appropriate precautions as such.
     
    Cordially,
    Eric C., T. E., Larsen

    Scholar and Faculty

     

    Department of Management

    School of Business

    SUNY: University at Albany

     

    School of Business and Technology

    Endicott College

     

    Department of Management

    Bertolon School of Business

    SalemState College

     

     
     
     




     




    > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:32:55 -0500
    > From: aneil.mishra@MBA.WFU.EDU
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    >
    > I haven't read all the postings on this thread, so I apologize if I'm
    > repeating material that others have suggested. I did have the time to read
    > Jim Clawsen's posting, and I wholeheartedly agree with trying to help
    > students find patterns across different assessments. I'm a big fan of MBTI,
    > use the StrengthsFinder 2.0 assessment (Gallup), FIRO-B, and the Competing
    > Values framework and assessment developed by my mentors Kim Cameron and Bob
    > Quinn at Michigan along with their colleagues. I've used all quite
    > successfully individually, but the real power (and validity I believe) comes
    > from finding intersections across these different instruments which are
    > based on theories or empiricism that are quite different from one another.
    >
    > I look forward to reading the rest of these postings on this thread.
    >
    > Aneil Mishra
    > Wake Forest U.
    > MBTI Type: ESTP



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  • 10.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-08-2008 18:59
    I agree heartily w/ Eric's concern and that's the reason why we counsel our students (all FY MBA students did this for the last three years) that no single instrument is accurate enough or comprehensive enough to hang your hat on. Only when patterns recur in multiple data pools do we begin to "believe.". We also assert that the strength of each subsequent insight or life theme can be assesed by the volume of data, the number of instruments, the volume of disconfirming data (who has none?), and the quality of the logic relating each datum to the indeced theme label.
    Respectfully,
    Jim
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    Subject: Re: self-assessments

    Dear Those Interested:

    Not that anyone is not being sensitive enough, but because it is not known how people might take this thread, I offer the following:

    As a graduate student I got handed the enviable task of providing feedback on about 1,800 (yes 1,800) reflection papers based on self-assessments. The sample doing the reflecting was comprised of MBA students and this process took place over a four year period. Please beware the casual use of any self-assessment assignments, be they "off the shelf", "packaged for profit", or in some other way handled by technology that might not account for 100% of individual differences in classifying individuals (n.b., does not leave any tools I am aware of). Serious focus on what individual students are taking away from these self-assessment experiences is warranted. Academics are often undercompensated for their time, and while I thus understand the interest in leverage and scalability, please remember that these students are real people who have come to us for growth and in some cases help. I am not saying "do not use these tools." I am asking that you realize the potential of underestimating the power of these tools and take appropriate precautions as such.

    Cordially,
    Eric C., T. E., Larsen


    Scholar and Faculty



    Department of Management

    School of Business

    SUNY: University at Albany



    School of Business and Technology

    Endicott College



    Department of Management

    Bertolon School of Business

    SalemState College













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    > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:32:55 -0500
    > From: aneil.mishra@MBA.WFU.EDU
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    >
    > I haven't read all the postings on this thread, so I apologize if I'm
    > repeating material that others have suggested. I did have the time to read
    > Jim Clawsen's posting, and I wholeheartedly agree with trying to help
    > students find patterns across different assessments. I'm a big fan of MBTI,
    > use the StrengthsFinder 2.0 assessment (Gallup), FIRO-B, and the Competing
    > Values framework and assessment developed by my mentors Kim Cameron and Bob
    > Quinn at Michigan along with their colleagues. I've used all quite
    > successfully individually, but the real power (and validity I believe) comes
    > from finding intersections across these different instruments which are
    > based on theories or empiricism that are quite different from one another.
    >
    > I look forward to reading the rest of these postings on this thread.
    >
    > Aneil Mishra
    > Wake Forest U.
    > MBTI Type: ESTP




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  • 11.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-09-2008 00:53
    I also concur with Eric's statements. I only use such self-assessments in
    combination with in-depth qualitative individual papers in which students
    draw upon their self-assessments as part of developing action plans for
    their work and non-work situations. In essence, I become their coach as
    well as their OB professor.

    I would also never allow anyone by myself to grade my students' work, both
    for professional and ethical reasons. Jim Walsh exhorted me to always do my
    own grading right before I graduated, because "that's what we're paid to do,
    as part of our teaching role," and I've followed his sage advice. I always
    tell my students that my grading is inherently subjective, but I strive to
    be consistent across students.

    Aneil Mishra


  • 12.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-09-2008 16:38
    Dear Those Interested:
     
    My initial response on this matter was in part because I myself had once underestimated just how seriously some students can take these assessments.  Upon some reflection, I would have expressed my initial e-mail in this thread differently.  My, somewhat alarmist, response was in part meant to encourage further thought in the one or two future self-assessment users whom also might not appreciate the potential impact of these self-assessments and to encourage "our" caring and highly engaged involvement with our students through these processes.
     
    Both James G. Clawson and Robert F. Hurley have demonstrated seriously focus in these matters.  For my part, I consider these two individuals to be among those worth looking to for the lead in this matter.
     
    Cordially,
    Eric C., T. E., Larsen 








    > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:59:14 -0500
    > From: ClawsonJ@DARDEN.VIRGINIA.EDU
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    >
    > I agree heartily w/ Eric's concern and that's the reason why we counsel our students (all FY MBA students did this for the last three years) that no single instrument is accurate enough or comprehensive enough to hang your hat on. Only when patterns recur in multiple data pools do we begin to "believe.". We also assert that the strength of each subsequent insight or life theme can be assesed by the volume of data, the number of instruments, the volume of disconfirming data (who has none?), and the quality of the logic relating each datum to the indeced theme label.
    > Respectfully,
    > Jim
    > --------------------------
    > James G. Clawson
    > Sent using BlackBerry
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv <OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu>
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu <OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu>
    > Sent: Fri Feb 08 17:16:28 2008
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    >
    > Dear Those Interested:
    >
    > Not that anyone is not being sensitive enough, but because it is not known how people might take this thread, I offer the following:
    >
    > As a graduate student I got handed the enviable task of providing feedback on about 1,800 (yes 1,800) reflection papers based on self-assessments. The sample doing the reflecting was comprised of MBA students and this process took place over a four year period. Please beware the casual use of any self-assessment assignments, be they "off the shelf", "packaged for profit", or in some other way handled by technology that might not account for 100% of individual differences in classifying individuals (n.b., does not leave any tools I am aware of). Serious focus on what individual students are taking away from these self-assessment experiences is warranted. Academics are often undercompensated for their time, and while I thus understand the interest in leverage and scalability, please remember that these students are real people who have come to us for growth and in some cases help. I am not saying "do not use these tools." I am asking that you realize the potential of underestimating the power of these tools and take appropriate precautions as such.
    >
    > Cordially,
    > Eric C., T. E., Larsen
    >
    >
    > Scholar and Faculty
    >
    >
    >
    > Department of Management
    >
    > School of Business
    >
    > SUNY: University at Albany
    >
    >
    >
    > School of Business and Technology
    >
    > Endicott College
    >
    >
    >
    > Department of Management
    >
    > Bertolon School of Business
    >
    > SalemState College
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    >
    > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:32:55 -0500
    > > From: aneil.mishra@MBA.WFU.EDU
    > > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    > >
    > > I haven't read all the postings on this thread, so I apologize if I'm
    > > repeating material that others have suggested. I did have the time to read
    > > Jim Clawsen's posting, and I wholeheartedly agree with trying to help
    > > students find patterns across different assessments. I'm a big fan of MBTI,
    > > use the StrengthsFinder 2.0 assessment (Gallup), FIRO-B, and the Competing
    > > Values framework and assessment developed by my mentors Kim Cameron and Bob
    > > Quinn at Michigan along with their colleagues. I've used all quite
    > > successfully individually, but the real power (and validity I believe) comes
    > > from finding intersections across these different instruments which are
    > > based on theories or empiricism that are quite different from one another.
    > >
    > > I look forward to reading the rest of these postings on this thread.
    > >
    > > Aneil Mishra
    > > Wake Forest U.
    > > MBTI Type: ESTP
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    >
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  • 13.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-09-2008 22:56
    Dear Colleagues,



    Our abilities and capabilities change over time. What we are today may not be what we are tomorrow. Education, experiences, maturity, and other processes change us over time. What is the true benefit of these self-assessment tools? I have been put through t-training, marriage counseling, the Myers Briggs and others during the last 30 plus years, and I still don't know what those things had done for me. Do they really help the students? Or, do we want to believe they do? Do we know how many students we might have driven away from many good things in their lives with these self-assessment tests? What if we do more harm than good? I am convinced that most of those assessment tools are even dangerous in the hands of highly trained professionals. Honestly, what good do they do if we have the students for only one semester and cannot do any type of follow on what happens to them in the long-term? (No sales pitch, please!) Is it our responsibility to expose them to professional or technical know-how or to engage ourselves directly in their emotional development as individuals?



    In my more than 40 years of involvement with organizations (as employee/manager, student of organizations and as a teacher) I have learned that not everyone can be "saved" and that in many situations we are not well equipped to do so.


    Sincerely,

    Ivan


    Dr. R. Ivan Blanco
    Department of Management
    McCoy College of Business Administration
    Texas State University - San Marcos
    San Marcos, TX 78666
    Phone (512) 245-1842
    Fax (512) 245-2850
    rb39@txstate.edu
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    Nations march toward their greatness at the same pace as their educational systems evolve. Simon Bolivar
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    ________________________________

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv on behalf of eric larsen
    Sent: Sat 2/9/2008 3:38 PM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: self-assessments


    Dear Those Interested:

    My initial response on this matter was in part because I myself had once underestimated just how seriously some students can take these assessments. Upon some reflection, I would have expressed my initial e-mail in this thread differently. My, somewhat alarmist, response was in part meant to encourage further thought in the one or two future self-assessment users whom also might not appreciate the potential impact of these self-assessments and to encourage "our" caring and highly engaged involvement with our students through these processes.

    Both James G. Clawson and Robert F. Hurley have demonstrated seriously focus in these matters. For my part, I consider these two individuals to be among those worth looking to for the lead in this matter.

    Cordially,
    Eric C., T. E., Larsen






    ________________________________



    > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:59:14 -0500
    > From: ClawsonJ@DARDEN.VIRGINIA.EDU
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    >
    > I agree heartily w/ Eric's concern and that's the reason why we counsel our students (all FY MBA students did this for the last three years) that no single instrument is accurate enough or comprehensive enough to hang your hat on. Only when patterns recur in multiple data pools do we begin to "believe.". We also assert that the strength of each subsequent insight or life theme can be assesed by the volume of data, the number of instruments, the volume of disconfirming data (who has none?), and the quality of the logic relating each datum to the indeced theme label.
    > Respectfully,
    > Jim
    > --------------------------
    > James G. Clawson
    > Sent using BlackBerry
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv <OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu>
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu <OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu>
    > Sent: Fri Feb 08 17:16:28 2008
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    >
    > Dear Those Interested:
    >
    > Not that anyone is not being sensitive enough, but because it is not known how people might take this thread, I offer the following:
    >
    > As a graduate student I got handed the enviable task of providing feedback on about 1,800 (yes 1,800) reflection papers based on self-assessments. The sample doing the reflecting was comprised of MBA students and this process took place over a four year period. Please beware the casual use of any self-assessment assignments, be they "off the shelf", "packaged for profit", or in some other way handled by technology that might not account for 100% of individual differences in classifying individuals (n.b., does not leave any tools I am aware of). Serious focus on what individual students are taking away from these self-assessment experiences is warranted. Academics are often undercompensated for their time, and while I thus understand the interest in leverage and scalability, please remember that these students are real people who have come to us for growth and in some cases help. I am not saying "do not use these tools." I am asking that you realize the potential of underestimating the power of these tools and take appropriate precautions as such.
    >
    > Cordially,
    > Eric C., T. E., Larsen
    >
    >
    > Scholar and Faculty
    >
    >
    >
    > Department of Management
    >
    > School of Business
    >
    > SUNY: University at Albany
    >
    >
    >
    > School of Business and Technology
    >
    > Endicott College
    >
    >
    >
    > Department of Management
    >
    > Bertolon School of Business
    >
    > SalemState College
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    >
    > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:32:55 -0500
    > > From: aneil.mishra@MBA.WFU.EDU
    > > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    > >
    > > I haven't read all the postings on this thread, so I apologize if I'm
    > > repeating material that others have suggested. I did have the time to read
    > > Jim Clawsen's posting, and I wholeheartedly agree with trying to help
    > > students find patterns across different assessments. I'm a big fan of MBTI,
    > > use the StrengthsFinder 2.0 assessment (Gallup), FIRO-B, and the Competing
    > > Values framework and assessment developed by my mentors Kim Cameron and Bob
    > > Quinn at Michigan along with their colleagues. I've used all quite
    > > successfully individually, but the real power (and validity I believe) comes
    > > from finding intersections across these different instruments which are
    > > based on theories or empiricism that are quite different from one another.
    > >
    > > I look forward to reading the rest of these postings on this thread.
    > >
    > > Aneil Mishra
    > > Wake Forest U.
    > > MBTI Type: ESTP
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
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  • 14.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-10-2008 13:41

    I’d like to add to Ivan Blanco’s very perceptive statement. What we need to keep in mind is that of all the billions of people that have lived or continue to live on this planet no two people have ever been genetically identical. Even identical twins are not completely identical. Therefore, no individual can look at the same social context (or anything else for that matter) and see it exactly the same way as another individual. Thus, assessments “pigeon hole” people which makes them so dangerous.

    Cheers,

    Charlie 
     
    Charles (Kalev) Ehin, Ph.D.
    Emeritus Professor of Management
    The Gore School of Business
    Westminster College, Salt Lake City
    kalev1@msn.com
    www.UnManagement.com 
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:56 PM
    Subject: Re: self-assessments

    Dear Colleagues,

     

    Our abilities and capabilities change over time.  What we are today may not be what we are tomorrow. Education, experiences, maturity, and other processes change us over time.  What is the true benefit of these self-assessment tools?  I have been put through t-training, marriage counseling, the Myers Briggs and others during the last 30 plus years, and I still don't know what those things had done for me.  Do they really help the students? Or, do we want to believe they do?  Do we know how many students we might have driven away from many good things in their lives with these self-assessment tests?  What if we do more harm than good? I am convinced that most of those assessment tools are even dangerous in the hands of highly trained professionals.  Honestly, what good do they do if we have the students for only one semester and cannot do any type of follow on what happens to them in the long-term?  (No sales pitch, please!)  Is it our responsibility to expose them to professional or technical know-how or to engage ourselves directly in their emotional development as individuals?

     

    In my more than 40 years of involvement with organizations (as employee/manager, student of organizations and as a teacher) I have learned that not everyone can be "saved" and that in many situations we are not well equipped to do so.

     
    Sincerely,
     
    Ivan
     
                                           
    Dr. R. Ivan Blanco
    Department of Management
    McCoy College of Business Administration
    Texas State University - San Marcos
    San Marcos, TX 78666
    Phone (512) 245-1842
    Fax  (512) 245-2850
    rb39@txstate.edu
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
     
    The trouble with other cultures is that the people don't behave the way they're supposed to, that is, like us.  The solution to this difficulty is not to expect them to."  Craig Storti, The Art of Crossing Cultures (1990).
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
     
    Las naciones marchan al termino de su grandeza con el mismo paso que camina su educacion.
    Nations march toward their greatness at the same pace as their educational systems evolve.  Simon Bolivar
    = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
     

    ________________________________

    From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv on behalf of eric larsen
    Sent: Sat 2/9/2008 3:38 PM
    To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: self-assessments


    Dear Those Interested:
     
    My initial response on this matter was in part because I myself had once underestimated just how seriously some students can take these assessments.  Upon some reflection, I would have expressed my initial e-mail in this thread differently.  My, somewhat alarmist, response was in part meant to encourage further thought in the one or two future self-assessment users whom also might not appreciate the potential impact of these self-assessments and to encourage "our" caring and highly engaged involvement with our students through these processes.
     
    Both James G. Clawson and Robert F. Hurley have demonstrated seriously focus in these matters.  For my part, I consider these two individuals to be among those worth looking to for the lead in this matter.
     
    Cordially,
    Eric C., T. E., Larsen






    ________________________________



    > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:59:14 -0500
    > From: ClawsonJ@DARDEN.VIRGINIA.EDU
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    >
    > I agree heartily w/ Eric's concern and that's the reason why we counsel our students (all FY MBA students did this for the last three years) that no single instrument is accurate enough or comprehensive enough to hang your hat on. Only when patterns recur in multiple data pools do we begin to "believe.". We also assert that the strength of each subsequent insight or life theme can be assesed by the volume of data, the number of instruments, the volume of disconfirming data (who has none?), and the quality of the logic relating each datum to the indeced theme label.
    > Respectfully,
    > Jim
    > --------------------------
    > James G. Clawson
    > Sent using BlackBerry
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv <OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu>
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu <OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu>
    > Sent: Fri Feb 08 17:16:28 2008
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    >
    > Dear Those Interested:
    >
    > Not that anyone is not being sensitive enough, but because it is not known how people might take this thread, I offer the following:
    >
    > As a graduate student I got handed the enviable task of providing feedback on about 1,800 (yes 1,800) reflection papers based on self-assessments. The sample doing the reflecting was comprised of MBA students and this process took place over a four year period. Please beware the casual use of any self-assessment assignments, be they "off the shelf", "packaged for profit", or in some other way handled by technology that might not account for 100% of individual differences in classifying individuals (n.b., does not leave any tools I am aware of). Serious focus on what individual students are taking away from these self-assessment experiences is warranted. Academics are often undercompensated for their time, and while I thus understand the interest in leverage and scalability, please remember that these students are real people who have come to us for growth and in some cases help. I am not saying "do not use these tools." I am asking that you realize the potential of underestimating the power of these tools and take appropriate precautions as such.
    >
    > Cordially,
    > Eric C., T. E., Larsen
    >
    >
    > Scholar and Faculty
    >
    >
    >
    > Department of Management
    >
    > School of Business
    >
    > SUNY: University at Albany
    >
    >
    >
    > School of Business and Technology
    >
    > Endicott College
    >
    >
    >
    > Department of Management
    >
    > Bertolon School of Business
    >
    > SalemState College
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    >
    > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:32:55 -0500
    > > From: aneil.mishra@MBA.WFU.EDU
    > > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    > >
    > > I haven't read all the postings on this thread, so I apologize if I'm
    > > repeating material that others have suggested. I did have the time to read
    > > Jim Clawsen's posting, and I wholeheartedly agree with trying to help
    > > students find patterns across different assessments. I'm a big fan of MBTI,
    > > use the StrengthsFinder 2.0 assessment (Gallup), FIRO-B, and the Competing
    > > Values framework and assessment developed by my mentors Kim Cameron and Bob
    > > Quinn at Michigan along with their colleagues. I've used all quite
    > > successfully individually, but the real power (and validity I believe) comes
    > > from finding intersections across these different instruments which are
    > > based on theories or empiricism that are quite different from one another.
    > >
    > > I look forward to reading the rest of these postings on this thread.
    > >
    > > Aneil Mishra
    > > Wake Forest U.
    > > MBTI Type: ESTP
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
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  • 15.  self-assessments

    Posted 02-11-2008 09:55
    In response to Ivan and Charlie's statements regarding these self-assessment tools and their ability to "pigeon hole" or not help all our students, I would propose that these tests were not meant to be taken so literally. When I present them to students, I do so with the understanding that these are generalizations and the results are only based on their self-reported behavior; i.e., if they were not honest, their results will be flawed. These assessments were meant to be a starting point in self-awareness so that they can be aware of how others "might" see them. I agree that we cannot solve all our students' problems, nor cure them of what ails them, but we can give them tools from which they begin to build themselves as whole individuals, not just technically competent robots.

    ***************
    JoDee Salisbury, Ph.D., SPHR
    System Director of Business Administration Programs
    Baker College
    34950 Little Mack
    Clinton Twp., MI 48035
    586.790.9458
    jodee.salisbury@baker.edu


    Many attempts to communicate are nullified by saying too much.
    --Robert Greenleaf, ATT



    ---- Original message ----
    >Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:41:29 -0700
    >From: Charles Ehin <kalev1@MSN.COM>
    >Subject: Re: self-assessments
    >To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    >
    > I’d like to add to Ivan Blanco’s very perceptive
    > statement. What we need to keep in mind is that of
    > all the billions of people that have lived or
    > continue to live on this planet no two people have
    > ever been genetically identical. Even identical
    > twins are not completely identical. Therefore, no
    > individual can look at the same social context (or
    > anything else for that matter) and see it exactly
    > the same way as another individual. Thus,
    > assessments “pigeon hole” people which makes
    > them so dangerous.
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Charlie
    >
    > Charles (Kalev) Ehin, Ph.D.
    > Emeritus Professor of Management
    > The Gore School of Business
    > Westminster College, Salt Lake City
    > kalev1@msn.com
    > www.UnManagement.com
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Blanco, R Ivan
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:56 PM
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > Dear Colleagues,
    >
    >
    >
    > Our abilities and capabilities change over time.
    > What we are today may not be what we are tomorrow.
    > Education, experiences, maturity, and other
    > processes change us over time. What is the true
    > benefit of these self-assessment tools? I have
    > been put through t-training, marriage counseling,
    > the Myers Briggs and others during the last 30
    > plus years, and I still don't know what those
    > things had done for me. Do they really help the
    > students? Or, do we want to believe they do? Do
    > we know how many students we might have driven
    > away from many good things in their lives with
    > these self-assessment tests? What if we do more
    > harm than good? I am convinced that most of those
    > assessment tools are even dangerous in the hands
    > of highly trained professionals. Honestly, what
    > good do they do if we have the students for only
    > one semester and cannot do any type of follow on
    > what happens to them in the long-term? (No sales
    > pitch, please!) Is it our responsibility to
    > expose them to professional or technical know-how
    > or to engage ourselves directly in their emotional
    > development as individuals?
    >
    >
    >
    > In my more than 40 years of involvement with
    > organizations (as employee/manager, student of
    > organizations and as a teacher) I have learned
    > that not everyone can be "saved" and that in many
    > situations we are not well equipped to do so.
    >
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    > Ivan
    >
    >
    > Dr. R. Ivan Blanco
    > Department of Management
    > McCoy College of Business Administration
    > Texas State University - San Marcos
    > San Marcos, TX 78666
    > Phone (512) 245-1842
    > Fax (512) 245-2850
    > rb39@txstate.edu
    > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
    >
    > The trouble with other cultures is that the people
    > don't behave the way they're supposed to, that is,
    > like us. The solution to this difficulty is not
    > to expect them to." Craig Storti, The Art of
    > Crossing Cultures (1990).
    > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
    >
    > Las naciones marchan al termino de su grandeza con
    > el mismo paso que camina su educacion.
    > Nations march toward their greatness at the same
    > pace as their educational systems evolve. Simon
    > Bolivar
    > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
    > From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv on
    > behalf of eric larsen
    > Sent: Sat 2/9/2008 3:38 PM
    > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    >
    > Dear Those Interested:
    >
    > My initial response on this matter was in part
    > because I myself had once underestimated just how
    > seriously some students can take these
    > assessments. Upon some reflection, I would have
    > expressed my initial e-mail in this thread
    > differently. My, somewhat alarmist, response was
    > in part meant to encourage further thought in the
    > one or two future self-assessment users whom also
    > might not appreciate the potential impact of these
    > self-assessments and to encourage "our" caring and
    > highly engaged involvement with our students
    > through these processes.
    >
    > Both James G. Clawson and Robert F. Hurley have
    > demonstrated seriously focus in these matters.
    > For my part, I consider these two individuals to
    > be among those worth looking to for the lead in
    > this matter.
    >
    > Cordially,
    > Eric C., T. E., Larsen
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
    > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:59:14 -0500
    > > From: ClawsonJ@DARDEN.VIRGINIA.EDU
    > > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    > >
    > > I agree heartily w/ Eric's concern and that's
    > the reason why we counsel our students (all FY MBA
    > students did this for the last three years) that
    > no single instrument is accurate enough or
    > comprehensive enough to hang your hat on. Only
    > when patterns recur in multiple data pools do we
    > begin to "believe.". We also assert that the
    > strength of each subsequent insight or life theme
    > can be assesed by the volume of data, the number
    > of instruments, the volume of disconfirming data
    > (who has none?), and the quality of the logic
    > relating each datum to the indeced theme label.
    > > Respectfully,
    > > Jim
    > > --------------------------
    > > James G. Clawson
    > > Sent using BlackBerry
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Organizational Behavior Division Listserv
    > <OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu>
    > > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu <OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu>
    > > Sent: Fri Feb 08 17:16:28 2008
    > > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > >
    > > Dear Those Interested:
    > >
    > > Not that anyone is not being sensitive enough,
    > but because it is not known how people might take
    > this thread, I offer the following:
    > >
    > > As a graduate student I got handed the enviable
    > task of providing feedback on about 1,800 (yes
    > 1,800) reflection papers based on
    > self-assessments. The sample doing the reflecting
    > was comprised of MBA students and this process
    > took place over a four year period. Please beware
    > the casual use of any self-assessment assignments,
    > be they "off the shelf", "packaged for profit", or
    > in some other way handled by technology that might
    > not account for 100% of individual differences in
    > classifying individuals (n.b., does not leave any
    > tools I am aware of). Serious focus on what
    > individual students are taking away from these
    > self-assessment experiences is warranted.
    > Academics are often undercompensated for their
    > time, and while I thus understand the interest in
    > leverage and scalability, please remember that
    > these students are real people who have come to us
    > for growth and in some cases help. I am not saying
    > "do not use these tools." I am asking that you
    > realize the potential of underestimating the power
    > of these tools and take appropriate precautions as
    > such.
    > >
    > > Cordially,
    > > Eric C., T. E., Larsen
    > >
    > >
    > > Scholar and Faculty
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Department of Management
    > >
    > > School of Business
    > >
    > > SUNY: University at Albany
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > School of Business and Technology
    > >
    > > Endicott College
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Department of Management
    > >
    > > Bertolon School of Business
    > >
    > > SalemState College
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:32:55 -0500
    > > > From: aneil.mishra@MBA.WFU.EDU
    > > > Subject: Re: self-assessments
    > > > To: OB@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    > > >
    > > > I haven't read all the postings on this
    > thread, so I apologize if I'm
    > > > repeating material that others have suggested.
    > I did have the time to read
    > > > Jim Clawsen's posting, and I wholeheartedly
    > agree with trying to help
    > > > students find patterns across different
    > assessments. I'm a big fan of MBTI,
    > > > use the StrengthsFinder 2.0 assessment
    > (Gallup), FIRO-B, and the Competing
    > > > Values framework and assessment developed by
    > my mentors Kim Cameron and Bob
    > > > Quinn at Michigan along with their colleagues.
    > I've used all quite
    > > > successfully individually, but the real power
    > (and validity I believe) comes
    > > > from finding intersections across these
    > different instruments which are
    > > > based on theories or empiricism that are quite
    > different from one another.
    > > >
    > > > I look forward to reading the rest of these
    > postings on this thread.
    > > >
    > > > Aneil Mishra
    > > > Wake Forest U.
    > > > MBTI Type: ESTP
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
    > Get it now!
    > <http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008>
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
    > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest
    > Loser! Learn more. <http://biggestloser.msn.com/>